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| frank
Joined: 03/31/11 Posts: 2 |
i am a diabetic what changes do i need to make Posted Thursday, March 31, 2011 at 8:13 PM hi i have diabetes and the dr said in his diet to i believe stay away from avocados and nuts for the fat contact . on one of the celebrity recipes it calls for avocados are they good for me again? i was researching and looking into going or at least adding some raw things to my diet. ive been making and eating chia pudding ( i got chia seeds from the healthfood store and have been adding water and it becomes like a tapioca type paste whcih is good. a friend of mione said you could put this in place of eggs in a reciep though i have not done that yet). tsince nuts arent good for diabetics does that mean nut milk isnt either? what about seed milk or mylk as its sometimes said in the raw books? ps. what is thread?it asks me to subscribe too |
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gryphonpro
 Location: Cape Breton, NS, Canada Posts: 239 |
RE: i am a diabetic what changes do i need to make Posted Thursday, March 31, 2011 at 8:47 PM I Frank. I don't know about the diabetes questions but I might be able to help about the THREAD.... it is like a line, or chain, of messages, one answering the next and others piping in along the way. If you "subscribe" to a thread, you will be notified, probably in your email, whenever someone adds a new message or comment to the THREAD. You started this THREAD when you started a new topic... and if you got notified that I send this reply, you are subscribed! If you want to just come back and check on your own, once in a while, you don't need to subscribe. About the avocado being good for you again... I just wanted to make a comment about that. We have a great doctor here where I live who does a lot of public education. He says these things that seem to change all the time, good for you one minute and not the next, is because we tend to look at everything in bits and pieces. One minute we are looking at fat, another minute we are looking at toxins, another minute we are looking at some mineral ... so one study says good and another study says bad because they are looking at different details. The solution, apparently, is to look at things as a whole... are you eating well or not, and just take any single study which only looks at one thing with a grain of salt. So, welcome to the Kickstart, and good luck. madeline yakimchuk
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| gryphonpro
Location: Cape Breton, NS, Canada Posts: 239 |
RE: i am a diabetic what changes do i need to make Posted Thursday, March 31, 2011 at 8:49 PM Hi Frank. I don't know about the diabetes questions but I might be able to help about the THREAD.... it is like a line, or chain, of messages, one answering the next and others piping in along the way. If you "subscribe" to a thread, you will be notified, probably in your email, whenever someone adds a new message or comment to the THREAD. You started this THREAD when you started a new topic... and if you got notified that I send this reply, you are subscribed! If you want to just come back and check on your own, once in a while, you don't need to subscribe. About the avocado being good for you again... I just wanted to make a comment about that. We have a great doctor here where I live who does a lot of public education. He says these things that seem to change all the time, good for you one minute and not the next, is because we tend to look at everything in bits and pieces. One minute we are looking at fat, another minute we are looking at toxins, another minute we are looking at some mineral ... so one study says good and another study says bad because they are looking at different details. The solution, apparently, is to look at things as a whole... are you eating well or not, and just take any single study which only looks at one thing with a grain of salt. So, welcome to the Kickstart, and good luck. madeline yakimchuk
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: i am a diabetic what changes do i need to make Posted Friday, April 1, 2011 at 9:04 AM frank wrote: hi i have diabetes and the dr said in his diet to i believe stay away from avocados and nuts for the fat contact . on one of the celebrity recipes it calls for avocados are they good for me again? i was researching and looking into going or at least adding some raw things to my diet. ive been making and eating chia pudding ( i got chia seeds from the healthfood store and have been adding water and it becomes like a tapioca type paste whcih is good. a friend of mione said you could put this in place of eggs in a reciep though i have not done that yet). tsince nuts arent good for diabetics does that mean nut milk isnt either? what about seed milk or mylk as its sometimes said in the raw books? ps. what is thread?it asks me to subscribe too The key is balance. Avocado isn't bad - in small amounts. Even nuts aren't bad - in small amounts. We use almond milk but that's our choice - you could choose rice, soy, hemp, etc. depending on what is available and your own taste (we tried several and determined that rice milk just tastes too 'ricey'). I've been a type 2 diabetic for 5-6 years now and nuts (in moderation) used to be my go-to snack when I needed food (grumbly tummy) but didn't want to raise my blood sugar the way fruits or grains would. However since the first kickstart I did back in September 2010, reducing/eliminating nuts and thus the fat from them, I've had better control of my glucose levels - from the decrease in fat more than the nuts themselves (other fats decreased as well, in addition to weight loss and increased exercise). If the avocado (for example) is replacing something like butter/shortening in a recipe, then it's an improvement. Same with nuts - I've got a recipe that uses ground pecans for a graham cracker like crust that is way lower in fat and carbs than a traditional graham crust. We use that for 'special occasions' like making Thanksgiving pumpkin pie - it's not an everyday thing. --Deb R |
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| soon2BVeg
Joined: 08/24/10 Posts: 225 |
RE: i am a diabetic what changes do i need to make Posted Friday, April 1, 2011 at 9:41 AM I don't follow the celebrity recipes and quite frankly, couldn't care less about the celebrity aspect of veganism. Some people might need that for validation; but I prefer to go back to the bare-bones of this diet for weight loss and as such, keep all fats to a minimum. Don't make a New Year's Resolution...make a Decision! |
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| Susan Levin
Joined: 12/26/09 Posts: 1192 |
RE: i am a diabetic what changes do i need to make Posted Friday, April 1, 2011 at 9:48 AM Hi Frank! Welcome. The celebrity recipes are not necessarily part of a therapeutic diet plan. With diabetes, you want to be cautious about fat intake which is why we suggest avoiding high-fat foods, even plant foods, as much as possible. You can find a lot of information specifically for diabetes here: http://www.pcrm.org/health/diabetes/. Susan Levin, MS, RD |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: i am a diabetic what changes do i need to make Posted Friday, April 1, 2011 at 9:51 AM soon2BVeg wrote: I don't follow the celebrity recipes and quite frankly, couldn't care less about the celebrity aspect of veganism. Some people might need that for validation; but I prefer to go back to the bare-bones of this diet for weight loss and as such, keep all fats to a minimum. I like to look at the recipes, celebrity or not, to see if it's something interesting. If it is, we try it. If it's got ingredients we don't like, we skip it. If it's got ingredients we don't like but we can see an easy adjustment to it, we might try it. I like to put a slice or two of avocado on a veggie wrap (green leafies, tomato, hummus, etc) to give it that creamy feel that used to be filled by mayo, cheese, or other such high fat options. It's that satisfying 'mouth feel' that is important - texture is important to me. If it feels like I've had something creamy/fatty, it's satisfying to certain aspects so I look for ways to get that feel without the heavy fats - like a little mushed/sliced avocado or the not-cheese sauce. --Deb R |
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| Checochinican
Joined: 01/04/11 Posts: 148 |
RE: i am a diabetic what changes do i need to make Posted Saturday, April 2, 2011 at 2:57 PM I am here primarily to control high blood glucose. I diagnosed myself as type 2 diabetes in September, 2010. So far, I have found a strict vegan diet with very low fat intake works best for me. I plan to start a topic on testing our glucose. Hope you will participate on that. Sharon |
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| Cosmos
Joined: 01/01/10 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 14 |
RE: i am a diabetic what changes do i need to make Posted Saturday, April 2, 2011 at 6:48 PM Frank, I do not know the answer to your question but Dr. Bernard does have a book out called [/i]Dr. Neal Barnard's Program for Reversing Diabetes.[/i] Probably a good read for whose wanting to avoid diabetes too. |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: i am a diabetic what changes do i need to make Posted Saturday, April 2, 2011 at 7:17 PM Cosmos wrote: Frank, I do not know the answer to your question but Dr. Bernard does have a book out called [/i]Dr. Neal Barnard's Program for Reversing Diabetes.[/i] Probably a good read for whose wanting to avoid diabetes too. That's where we started - I saw Dr Barnard on PBS (one of those fortuitous channel flipping things) and went out and got this book. It made sense (especially compared to a lot of the hogwash floating around the web!) so I figured I'd do a little more research (okay, so I take a lot of convincing :lol  That's when I happened upon the September kickstart (which was about a month away at that point - just enough time to prepare, not too much time to hem and haw...) I've done the Sept and Jan kickstarts now. And, as long as I keep doing what I know to do right (low fat, whole grains, fruit, veggies, beans/legumes) and what not to do (white flour, sugary snacks, nuts - high fat, and such), my glucose numbers are really good. I've also noticed that it's easier to get back on track the longer I make this a habit of mind AND my glucose numbers get back on the good side more quickly.--Deb R |
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| javaboley
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RE: i am a diabetic what changes do i need to make Posted Sunday, April 3, 2011 at 3:22 PM This may be a bit extreme but you might find some good information here or contacting someone here http://www.rawfor30days.com/index4.html |
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| charmcitygirl
Joined: 04/04/11 Posts: 5 |
RE: i am a diabetic what changes do i need to make Posted Monday, April 4, 2011 at 9:20 AM Susan Levin wrote: Hi Frank! Welcome. The celebrity recipes are not necessarily part of a therapeutic diet plan. With diabetes, you want to be cautious about fat intake which is why we suggest avoiding high-fat foods, even plant foods, as much as possible. You can find a lot of information specifically for diabetes here: http://www.pcrm.org/health/diabetes/. Susan, |
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| frank
Joined: 03/31/11 Posts: 2 |
RE: i am a diabetic what changes do i need to make Posted Thursday, April 7, 2011 at 4:39 PM hi im baaacckkk . actually i am at the library thanks for the information. now i have a few other questions so i hope ure ready lol. now i know that plants are good and have been looking into adding or changing to a raw diet ior one that adds more vegatarian foods to my diet. i have on order from virtual catalog at the library there is a cure for diabeties from gabrial cousens and he reccomends a rawe foods diet and juicing greens . i believe he wants everything organic and if i am not mistaken he doesnt reccomend soy or wheat products. the viseo he has sinply raw for 30 days i think its called is interesting. hes added i believe a week of raw juicing to it also. his system has helpped type 2 ansd some type i diabetics. then you have dr wallach ( dead doctors dont lie and youngevity)who says stay away from fruit fruit juices and pastas and breads and eats roasted nuts for a snackas well as take his 90 essential nutrients and sweeteze which is a mixture of chromium and vanadium as well as cinnomin and a few other things ) and hes had very good sucess i hear from that. and then theres victoria boutenko( i think thats how she spells it )( i think her website is rawfamily.com) and she and her family had bad medical problems so they went raw and had great siccess though after going raw she felt something was missing and then she found green smoothies. which gave her the greens she needed as well as the fiber. and now theres dr. bernard who says stay away from nuts and avocados( which is som,ething i was useing when i wanted to go more raw with gabrial cousens ( eating avocados and making nut and seed milks ) and eating chia seeds with water that makes a paste kind of like tapioca. are these things noty good on dr bernards diet? also it it better to get chia seeds ground up and not whole? im not sure if you would be able to make th pudding out of them though( chai seeds and water) any suggestions? or ideas all these changes in eating seem to work so whose correct and why |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: i am a diabetic what changes do i need to make Posted Thursday, April 7, 2011 at 5:01 PM frank wrote: hi im baaacckkk . actually i am at the library thanks for the information. now i have a few other questions so i hope ure ready lol. now i know that plants are good and have been looking into adding or changing to a raw diet ior one that adds more vegatarian foods to my diet. i have on order from virtual catalog at the library there is a cure for diabeties from gabrial cousens and he reccomends a rawe foods diet and juicing greens . i believe he wants everything organic and if i am not mistaken he doesnt reccomend soy or wheat products. the viseo he has sinply raw for 30 days i think its called is interesting. hes added i believe a week of raw juicing to it also. his system has helpped type 2 ansd some type i diabetics. then you have dr wallach ( dead doctors dont lie and youngevity)who says stay away from fruit fruit juices and pastas and breads and eats roasted nuts for a snackas well as take his 90 essential nutrients and sweeteze which is a mixture of chromium and vanadium as well as cinnomin and a few other things ) and hes had very good sucess i hear from that. and then theres victoria boutenko( i think thats how she spells it )( i think her website is rawfamily.com) and she and her family had bad medical problems so they went raw and had great siccess though after going raw she felt something was missing and then she found green smoothies. which gave her the greens she needed as well as the fiber. and now theres dr. bernard who says stay away from nuts and avocados( which is som,ething i was useing when i wanted to go more raw with gabrial cousens ( eating avocados and making nut and seed milks ) and eating chia seeds with water that makes a paste kind of like tapioca. are these things noty good on dr bernards diet? also it it better to get chia seeds ground up and not whole? im not sure if you would be able to make th pudding out of them though( chai seeds and water) any suggestions? or ideas all these changes in eating seem to work so whose correct and why Just my two cents but I've never been a fan of anyone who says that if I buy their 'special' product, I can cure the common cold and everything else. For some people, cinnamon does help moderate blood glucose levels - but only some, not all. Most raw food plans are also vegan (because raw meat and eggs can be a problem, and raw milk can be questionable depending on the source - plus it can also be problematic for anyone taking antacids for reflux and such). So, there's not a lot of difference there - in fact, there are some raw food vegans right here on the kickstart boards. For some people, wheat and/or soy can be problematic (I don't do well with soy but wheat is okay, for example). For someone who needs to really sort out their system, a vegan low fat gluten free plan might be a good way to 'cleanse' and then add back things like wheat to see how it goes. There are plenty of other grains nowadays - mainstream chain grocery stores even carry quinoa, quinoa pasta, etc. and gluten free products are increasing rapidly. Fruit juices I would stay away from also (as a type 2 diabetic) UNLESS it was in combination with something else to slow digestion - for example, some folks do green smoothies with fruit juice and leafy greens like kale (High fiber). Nuts and avocados are not totally out with the kickstart but are to be used very sparingly to keep within the 10% of calories "rule of thumb". If you've had very little fat all day, maybe a few slices of avocado on a sandwich or a sprinkle of crushed nuts on a salad isn't bad - but making a habit of eating handfuls of nuts several times per day, that's where the line is. Can't say anything about chia seeds since I've never used them but we do use ground flaxseeds in some recipes as a binder (when combined with water). Many of the little seeds (flax, chia, etc) are often better absorbed in their ground state because the whole seeds simply pass right through without giving us the benefit of their nutrients. I'm sure Susan and others with more nutrition experience can speak to the details of these other ideas you refer to. --Deb R |
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| Susan Levin
Joined: 12/26/09 Posts: 1192 |
RE: i am a diabetic what changes do i need to make Posted Thursday, April 7, 2011 at 7:54 PM Raw diets certainly have some merit. If you are really interested in what the research says about raw diets, I highly recommend Becoming Raw by Brenda Davis, et al. However, low-fat, vegan diets do have a lot of research to show they prevent disease and reverse symptoms of common chronic diseases such as heart disease and type 2 diabetes. Even on a low-fat diet, you are fine to incorporate chia seeds and other seeds. They just wouldn't be the bulk of any meal. Susan Levin, MS, RD |
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