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AnnieGoat
 Location: Coquitlam, British Columbia Posts: 21 |
RE: Now diabetic / Now on lipitor Posted Sunday, April 8, 2012 at 6:29 PM Thanks babs. I've printed off this article and will definitely read through it. I'll highlight the important parts to condense it for my busy doctor, although even then I'm not sure he'll read it. But maybe if I tell him I'm not planning to take the lipitor anymore he may sit up and pay attention! I'd like a doctor-patient relationship that is a cooperative partnership. If not with this doctor then perhaps it's time to find another. Few and far between around here though. Anne "I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that he didn't trust me so much." -- Mother Teresa |
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| babs |
RE: Now diabetic / Now on lipitor Posted Sunday, April 8, 2012 at 7:11 PM Here too., I do the same. Here's another article about cholesterol, and lowering. This is from the prestigious Business Week Magazine, and features Dr. James Wright of Therapeutics Initiative at UBC. http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_04/b4068052092994.htm Eric Topol, cardiologist, on cholesterol: "We’re overdosing on cholesterol-lowering statins, and the consequence could be a sharp increase in the incidence of Type 2 diabetes." (Eric J. Topol is a cardiologist at the Scripps Clinic, a professor of genomics at the Scripps Research Institute and the author of “The Creative Destruction of Medicine.”) Knowledge is power. Good Luck. |
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| Red
Joined: 04/03/12 Posts: 12 |
RE: Now diabetic / Now on lipitor Posted Sunday, April 8, 2012 at 11:27 PM Amazing how I am the only type 1 diabetic who has been on the medicine for years and you simply disregard what I have to say. I didn't get this disease because I was over weight or didn't exercise, my pancreas simply does not produce insulin. These drugs have saved my life. There are risks with everything, even walking across the street. I have been a healthy weight my entire life and my team of doctors at UCLA put me on these drugs years ago as a preventative measure. Thank Buddha they did. Educate yourself from all sides and don't play doctor if you don't have a degree. It's good to do your own research and ask questions. After all it is your own health. But it's dangerous to emphatically say it's bad when you have never taken the medicine, to scare people without any experience with the drug. You may choose to ignore my comment but I am living proof that the medicine does work. Come find me when you have survived type 1 diabetes for 34 years with no complications. I have something to say - don't ignore someone who has lived it and survived. |
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| babs |
RE: Now diabetic / Now on lipitor Posted Monday, April 9, 2012 at 3:56 AM Hi Red I am not ignoring you. I haven't seen your addy or posts until this moment. We are talking about Diabetes 2 caused by Statins and the documented evidence for that. See Eric Topol's video on theheart.org blog. http://blogs.theheart.org/topolog/2012/3/1/statins-and-diabetes-a-hard-look-at-the-data-2 Women's Health Initiative on post-menopausal women Diabetes 2 and Statins (the people that brought us the truth about HRT): http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/short/archinternmed.2011.625 |
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| babs |
RE: Now diabetic / Now on lipitor Posted Monday, April 9, 2012 at 4:40 AM And here's an article and video from CBS News on the memory side effects of Statins. No, it's not age, it's the Statin. The FDA warning mentions this aspect too, as well as causing Diabetes 2. http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18563_162-619351.html There is more information on memory side effects on Dr. Beatrice Golomb's Statin Effect Study. See: Statin Adverse Effects: Dr. Golomb is principal investigator into the negative side effects of Statins. She is funded by the National Institutes of Health. |
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| Yesim
Joined: 03/31/12 Posts: 67 |
RE: Now diabetic / Now on lipitor Posted Monday, April 9, 2012 at 8:10 AM Thanks for oatmeal recipes as well as encouraging words for my weight loss. Red I am glad that you are healthy with the help of your medication, but I guess there is a misunderstanding here. I thought we were talking about Type 2 diabetes here. Last week I heard a bit of talk on the radio and they were saying how what was once "adult" onset diabetes is seen in kids due to their weights. Well, the main topic was lap band surgery and almost everybody who had it said they had Type 2 diabetes and after starting to lose weight, they lowered their medications and some others didn't need it at all. In fact, now they are wondering if they should operate on people with type 2 almost immediately, which I believe a bit of a too much drastic measure as operations are dangerous, but I don't know enough about the statistic experimentation they did to suggest this. Or maybe they just want to design an experiment to see the effectiveness of their suggestion. |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2068 |
RE: Now diabetic / Now on lipitor Posted Monday, April 9, 2012 at 8:15 AM Yesim wrote: @Babs, just curious, I wonder if you have a gene that the researchers found in some Italians with high cholesterol but no cardiovascular problems. With that high cholesterol, do you also have rather high HDL levels? @cch2, do you prepare oats in different ways? All I do is to cook them with water, sometimes I use some plant based milk to get a bit of a different taste. Come warmer days, I don't think I will be too crazy about preparing a warm breakfast, but rather eat Kashi's Autumn Wheat with cold rice milk. On the other hand, I like to have tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers with fresh chopped mint on, a few olives and my downfall cheese, feta in this case -- I need to find a replacement for the feta for my summer breakfast! Try mixing plant milk and oats with a bit of sweetener (if you like) and some dried fruit (raisins etc) in a bowl, then cover and pop it into the fridge overnight. Stir it up in the morning and eat it cold - very refreshing way to get oatmeal in the warmer months. I inherited my dad's cholesterol profile (he's not Italian either) but we've got high HDL, low LDL, low triglycerides - his doctor and mine both just pretty much ignore the 'total cholesterol' number because the higher HDL throws it off a bit. As a diabetic, I've got an agreement with my dr. - as long as I can keep my HDL up, my LDL and triglycerides down, he won't even mention a statin. And, so far, all is good. Hubby, however, is on a statin and has been for the last few years. He was working to lower his cholesterol with diet and exercise, and it was working to an extent. However, strokes, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, obesity, run in his family. We were working to avoid those things and avoid medication but then he had a TIA (according to the ER) or a vasospasm (according to our dr) - either way it basically gave him a minor taste of a possible stroke heading his way. So, he started on a low dose of a statin as well as continuing to improve his eating and exercise. He'll probably always be on blood pressure and cholesterol meds at this point but we're working to bolster his health in as many other ways as possible. --Deb R |
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| Yesim
Joined: 03/31/12 Posts: 67 |
RE: Now diabetic / Now on lipitor Posted Monday, April 9, 2012 at 8:41 AM Deb R thanks for the cold oatmeal recipe, I will definetly try it. Our doctor looks at Chol/HDL ratio before making any medication suggestions, so in your case that ratio should be fine. In fact, as I mentioned before my husband decided to try diet change before considering taking any medication and it worked for him. However, apparently your husband cannot benefit from a diet change, but at least the medicines are helping him out. Especially for women things may change drastically after menapouse, at least I saw my own mom start suffering from blood pressure problems when she had really low BP before menapause. I hope every participant will be healthier than they started come the end of this kickstart and continue to improve their health. |
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| babs |
RE: Now diabetic / Now on lipitor Posted Monday, April 9, 2012 at 1:03 PM Hi Deb Stains CAUSE stroke.This is documented evidence known to the FDA and your pharmacist. Dr. Eric Topal mentions the risk of stroke on Statins in the video I posted yesterday, here. Just click on the link: I am very sorry to hear your husband experienced this. More's the pity, it is something his doctor should have known about. It's common knowledge: Statins cause stroke. |
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| babs |
RE: Now diabetic / Now on lipitor Posted Monday, April 9, 2012 at 1:21 PM "(...) may increase the risk for hemorrhagic stroke": I urge you all to read the Statin Effects Study website and the other links, or at least question your pharmacist, not about what you shoudl do, but about the known side effects of Statins (and any drug you are prescribed). You will then be able to make an "informed" choice about your health and medication. https://www.statineffects.com/info/ |
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| babs |
RE: Now diabetic / Now on lipitor Posted Monday, April 9, 2012 at 1:27 PM Another article on the same side effect: Statins and hemorrhagic stroke (plus listing other serious side effects. Note: Statin side effects can cause permanent disability. http://voices.yahoo.com/statins-after-stroke-possible-danger-7586924.html |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2068 |
RE: Now diabetic / Now on lipitor Posted Monday, April 9, 2012 at 1:41 PM babs wrote: Hi Deb Stains CAUSE stroke.This is documented evidence known to the FDA and your pharmacist. Dr. Eric Topal mentions the risk of stroke on Statins in the video I posted yesterday, here. Just click on the link: I am very sorry to hear your husband experienced this. More's the pity, it is something his doctor should have known about. It's common knowledge: Statins cause stroke. FYI hubby was NOT on a statin UNTIL he had a near-stroke incident. He has a family history of stroke, he has hypertension, and he is clinically obese (though he lost over 80 lbs already). He also has upside down cholesterol - that is, his HDL is way lower than his LDL, lower than the target range for HDL. We deliberately chose NOT to have him on a statin (even though the dr thought it might be a good idea) until he spent a couple scary days in the hospital after the right side of his body started feeling numb - he could still use his right arm but it was feeling like the circulation was cut off (best way I can think to describe it - the numbest was only skin deep sort of). For people with big risk factors and/or history of cardiovascular issues, the case isn't quite the same. --Deb R |
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| babs |
RE: Now diabetic / Now on lipitor Posted Monday, April 9, 2012 at 1:53 PM Sorry I was unclear. Editing and writing while cooking. Please contact Dr. Golomb's people, who are doing studies and would like anyone who has taken a statin, good or bad experience no matter, to fill out a survey. They will also answer any questions you may have re Statins. She is funded $5 million dollars by the NIH to do this. One of the things many people do to learn about their drugs is set a Google search for them to come into your e-mail: "Statins negative effects" or "Statins and side effects and personal experience". Etc. There are a couple online forums for people harmed by Statins, or just trying not to take them. One is on run by a woman whose husband was disabled by Statins. You can join, or just read, most of what's there as open access. http://stopped_our_statins.webs.com/ |
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| babs |
RE: Now diabetic / Now on lipitor Posted Monday, April 9, 2012 at 1:58 PM I have been permanently disabled by Statins, and have suffered hemorrhagic stroke from them. My information is a part of Dr. Golomb's study of thousands of people many of whom have also been permanently disabled by Statins. This article about people disabled by Statins was in the Wall Street Journal. Sharon Hope's husband was in a similar situation as yours. (I'm not stumping for this website, it's just where one can find this article now, although, I do take fish oil. http://www.bargainfishoil.com/documents/lipitordilema.pdf |
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| Red
Joined: 04/03/12 Posts: 12 |
RE: Now diabetic / Now on lipitor Posted Monday, April 9, 2012 at 2:13 PM I am concerned about the misinformation that is currently being discussed. Type 2 diabetes is not caused by Statins. It is caused by poor diet, being overweight, and not exercising. No child should ever have type 2 diabetes. It is a curable disease. |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2068 |
RE: Now diabetic / Now on lipitor Posted Monday, April 9, 2012 at 3:13 PM Red wrote: I am concerned about the misinformation that is currently being discussed. Type 2 diabetes is not caused by Statins. It is caused by poor diet, being overweight, and not exercising. No child should ever have type 2 diabetes. It is a curable disease. It is a 'somewhat' curable disease in that if you eat well, exercise regularly, etc. you can avoid progression, avoid medication, avoid side effects. However, it is still there. You might call it "remission" because if you stop exercising, stop eating right, gain weight, it comes back - where someone who is not exercising and is overweight might not have it. Did that sentence make sense? What I'm saying is that I have type 2 diabetes, hubby does not. We both exercise and try to eat better now. But we're also both significantly overweight. I can keep my diabetes under control with diet, exercise, and meds as prescribed (as needed - that changes). If hubby and I stop exercising, my diabetes with be less controlled but he still doesn't have it. So, I'm not "cured" of diabetes, but I can fight it to a standstill so it doesn't progress. The tendency of my body to resist insulin, to maybe make an insufficient supply, whatever, is still there. It's not a cure - if it was a cure, I could do something for a set time period (a year, 5 years, 2 years, whatever) and it would be gone permanently; they can cure pnuemonia - take proper meds for a set time and it's gone. --Deb R |
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| Yesim
Joined: 03/31/12 Posts: 67 |
RE: Now diabetic / Now on lipitor Posted Monday, April 9, 2012 at 3:25 PM Red, I started to look at the links babs has been sending and the second one she sent http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/short/archinternmed.2011.625 says this "Background This study investigates whether the incidence of new-onset diabetes mellitus (DM) is associated with statin use among postmenopausal women participating in the Women's Health Initiative (WHI). It is saying it looks like it may have an affect and suggesting further study. Thus, it may be likely some postmenopausal women will be get such an adverse affect. Until reading the brief about this study, I also thought Type 2 was basically related to your life style, your diet and somewhat to your age. |
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| Red
Joined: 04/03/12 Posts: 12 |
RE: Now diabetic / Now on lipitor Posted Monday, April 9, 2012 at 3:25 PM Well, in terms of type 1 and type 2 - it is a curable disease. As long as you maintain a healthy weight and good diet, you do not have to worry about insulin injections, testing your blood sugar 8+ times a day, suffering from debilitating complications, and staying on medicines for the rest of your life. Type 1's do have to worry about all of that because it is an incurable disease. Statins and other medicines are essential for most type 1 diabetics who have suffered from this disease for most their lives. You may choose to not take this medicine but don't put fear out there for the rest of us. I respect your side of the story but you could at least see my (our)side of the story. They help! |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2068 |
RE: Now diabetic / Now on lipitor Posted Monday, April 9, 2012 at 3:48 PM Red wrote: Statins and other medicines are essential for most type 1 diabetics who have suffered from this disease for most their lives. You may choose to not take this medicine but don't put fear out there for the rest of us. I respect your side of the story but you could at least see my (our)side of the story. They help! I think you're mixing your replies - I have never said that anyone should not take a medication that is helping. I do tend to get my bristles up when someone says something is curable when it is actually remission, not a cure. Same with a lot of things - my hubby's hypertension for example - if he eats right, exercises regularly AND takes his medication, AND uses his C-PAP when he sleeps, his blood pressure stays in a reasonably healthy range. If he stops doing any or all of these things, it goes up. It is partly related to lifestyle issues but also partlyfamilial/genetic. Likewise, I know someone who MUST take statins because of his genetic history - it's sky high even if he eats only lettuce and drinks only water and exercises for hours per day. For those with existing conditions that warrant it, medications including statins can be life-saving. For others, medications like statins are a one-size-fits-all thing that is an automatic reaction among the medical community at large - my endocrinologist and my GP both wanted me on statins as soon as the blood test came back with a definite type 2 diagnosis. I said No because my cholesterol profile is fine. If I can no longer maintain a healthy cholesterol profile while doing all the same things (or avoiding all the same things) or if I have some type of 'event' (cardio vascular issue), that will be back in the discussion. But not before. --Deb R |
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| Red
Joined: 04/03/12 Posts: 12 |
RE: Now diabetic / Now on lipitor Posted Monday, April 9, 2012 at 3:48 PM To Bugsmom Please read Dr. Barnard's "Reversing Diabetes (type 2)." It is a curable and revealable disease. http://www.nealbarnard.org/diabetes_book.htm |
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