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| theodore
Joined: 09/16/10 Posts: 643 |
O Ye of Little Cheese Posted Tuesday, February 8, 2011 at 1:09 PM Hi Guys You know, I very rarely use the word "vegan" to describe myself. I just think it's such a weird sounding word and I therefore don't really want to be associated with it. What I usually do is I tell people that I'm a vegetarian. Then when they ask me if I consume milk or dairy products, I say no. And when they ask me if I eat eggs, I say no. Then they say "oh so you're a vegan", and I say "no, I'm a fesso-friggo-rogato-vegetarian", and they say "what's that exactly ??", and I say "it's a vegetarian who's tired of all your frigging questions". So maybe I don't actually say that, but I might do in the future. Anyway, I'm wondering whether I'm the only person who feels this way and whether we should perhaps be trying to think of another word to describe this "no milk no eggs vegetarian diet" ?? Theodore Never make assumptions. You'll end up being an A**, and the UMP will TION you. -- Coach Smiley -- Fresh Prince of Bel Air |
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| Checochinican
Joined: 01/04/11 Posts: 148 |
RE: O Ye of Little Cheese Posted Tuesday, February 8, 2011 at 1:18 PM No, you are definitely not alone. I do the same - refer to myself as vegetarian - and for the same reasons. I couldn't even pronounce "vegan" until a week ago. |
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| theodore
Joined: 09/16/10 Posts: 643 |
RE: O Ye of Little Cheese Posted Tuesday, February 8, 2011 at 1:27 PM Thanks Checochinican. I had a feeling I wasn't alone. Never make assumptions. You'll end up being an A**, and the UMP will TION you. -- Coach Smiley -- Fresh Prince of Bel Air |
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cch22
 Location: New York State Posts: 1000 |
RE: O Ye of Little Cheese Posted Tuesday, February 8, 2011 at 1:27 PM hi! veganish says i eat whatever i want to, mostly vegan, but if i want fish i can, if i wear leather i do.. veganish.. i make personal decisions the best i can determined by the circumstance and level of want. hegan.. is a man over 40 following a veganish diet. Also hot. shegan..you get the idea.. |
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| Checochinican
Joined: 01/04/11 Posts: 148 |
RE: O Ye of Little Cheese Posted Tuesday, February 8, 2011 at 1:37 PM Veganish - I like that. I think it describes me very well. I occasionally stray from the veggie path, perhaps just as a nod the the rebel inside me. |
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| theodore
Joined: 09/16/10 Posts: 643 |
RE: O Ye of Little Cheese Posted Tuesday, February 8, 2011 at 1:39 PM cch22 wrote: hi! i like veganish. or hegans... or shegans.. veganish says i eat whatever i want to, mostly vegan, but if i want fish i can, if i wear leather i do.. veganish.. i make personal decisions the best i can determined by the circumstance and level of want. hegan.. is a man over 40 following a veganish diet. Also hot. shegan..you get the idea.. Well, it's not that I want to come up with a word to describe people who don't follow the diet 100%. What I really want to do is come up with a new word that means the same thing as "vegan" but a word that's more slick and suave and sophisticated. You know, something that matches my personality a bit more. And something that doesn't have the word vegan in it, or rhyme with vegan. Never make assumptions. You'll end up being an A**, and the UMP will TION you. -- Coach Smiley -- Fresh Prince of Bel Air |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: O Ye of Little Cheese Posted Tuesday, February 8, 2011 at 1:47 PM theodore wrote: Hi Guys You know, I very rarely use the word "vegan" to describe myself. I just think it's such a weird sounding word and I therefore don't really want to be associated with it. What I usually do is I tell people that I'm a vegetarian. Then when they ask me if I consume milk or dairy products, I say no. And when they ask me if I eat eggs, I say no. Then they say "oh so you're a vegan", and I say "no, I'm a fesso-friggo-rogato-vegetarian", and they say "what's that exactly ??", and I say "it's a vegetarian who's tired of all your frigging questions". So maybe I don't actually say that, but I might do in the future. Anyway, I'm wondering whether I'm the only person who feels this way and whether we should perhaps be trying to think of another word to describe this "no milk no eggs vegetarian diet" ?? Theodore Nope, you're not alone - hubby won't say vegan either (and I only use it as a shorthand when necessary - like finding 'vegan' recipes online). He told a friend recently "We're not strictly vegan. We just focus on plant-based meals rather than meat. We do pay very close attention to what goes into the things we eat, though." "Vegan" tends to have a lot of other "begleyage" to it. |
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Wild4Stars
 Location: Florida Posts: 832 |
RE: O Ye of Little Cheese Posted Tuesday, February 8, 2011 at 1:47 PM My husband and a couple of my closest friends are the only ones with which I use the term "vegan." People understand vegetarian a bit better. When I was vegetarian I use to say "I don't eat animals." Of course, then I had people offer me fish or shrimp!! Also, when people ask me "What can you eat?" I often respond, "I can eat anything I want, I simply choose not to eat _________." whatever it is they're inquiring about. I have thought of trying, "I don't eat anything that comes from an animal." Has anyone had any experience trying that? Vikki ~ Wild4Stars@gmail.com |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: O Ye of Little Cheese Posted Tuesday, February 8, 2011 at 1:53 PM For us, we prefer to focus on all the stuff we do eat rather than what we don't eat. "We prefer plant-based eating" gives the "ish" flavor - it's a preference, not a 'rule' or 'law', and "Plant based" is pretty clearly not eggs, not milk or cheese, not animals - if it's got leaves, roots, seeds, etc (a plant) then that's in the usual rotation of foods; if it doesn't, then it isn't. --Deb R |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: O Ye of Little Cheese Posted Tuesday, February 8, 2011 at 1:59 PM Wild4Stars wrote: When I was vegetarian I use to say "I don't eat animals." Of course, then I had people offer me fish or shrimp!! Shrimp aren't animals - they're overgrown bugs!  --Deb R |
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Oceandog
 Location: California, USA Posts: 642 |
RE: O Ye of Little Cheese Posted Tuesday, February 8, 2011 at 2:03 PM In the 20+ years I have been doing this, I have used several names, several descriptions and finally realized I don't tend to be that social anyway, so most of the time I am not forced to describe myself! Having Celiac I find that it limits what a non-animal, plant-based, gluten-free diet has on its menu, so when I am out and about, I bring food, order carefully and don't discuss it much. Just simply order after asking a few questions. (I found many years ago, that meat/animal product eaters do NOT enjoy the same series of questions, in reverse, fired at them!) A few days ago I was shopping in Whole Foods, and a man had 4 items. I told him to go ahead of my in line, he was clearly shocked and kept asking "are you SURE?" I said yes and continued to unload my cart. Finally he said "oh I get it, only a vegan would be that nice!" I looked at my groceries and said what makes you say I am vegan? He said he recognized my food, and that his daughter was vegan. Sad but a bit funny I suppose. He also added that since I moved from Oregon last year and that was where his daughter lives, that perhaps it was the Vegan Oregonians that are "that nice." So back on topic. I simply state, I don't eat animal products. That encompasses all animals, milk, cheese, and eggs. Frequently I am verbally attacked by the nearest meat/animal eater but I remind myself that the anger/frustration/fear/mocking is their issue and not my own. I realize, again, how grateful I am to live my quiet life and move on. I just don't "take the bait" these days. Too much energy that is best spent elsewhere. Always offer kindness and a soft word to the beings around you; You do not know their journey. Your words can be the hug they need or the shove that breaks them. |
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| Wild4Stars
Location: Florida Posts: 832 |
RE: O Ye of Little Cheese Posted Tuesday, February 8, 2011 at 2:09 PM "I eat the plants, all the plants, and nothing but the plants!" So help me God! Vikki ~ Wild4Stars@gmail.com |
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mollyhorn
 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 582 |
RE: O Ye of Little Cheese Posted Tuesday, February 8, 2011 at 2:37 PM Wow... all this over one word. I'm proud to identify as a vegan. For me, it's about ethics and the environment (and health, too), so vegan is a lifestyle. But for the rest of you, why NOT use the word? What's wrong with it? If more nice people would use the term vegan, it wouldn't have any perceived negative stereotype around it. VEGAN AND PROUD! Molly Horn |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: O Ye of Little Cheese Posted Tuesday, February 8, 2011 at 2:46 PM mollyhorn wrote: Wow... all this over one word. I'm proud to identify as a vegan. For me, it's about ethics and the environment (and health, too), so vegan is a lifestyle. But for the rest of you, why NOT use the word? What's wrong with it? If more nice people would use the term vegan, it wouldn't have any perceived negative stereotype around it. VEGAN AND PROUD! It's a lifestyle, yes, but for some of us your parenthetical "health too" is the main reason, the environment and ethics after that. If hubby and I were 100% pictures of health, no hypertension, cholesterol issues, diabetes, weight issues, etc. odds are we wouldn't have sought out vegan eating. We were quite content with drug free, organically raised and fed, free range chickens and eggs, dairy products, wild caught fish, etc. But, health issues propelled us to seek out a 'next step' in improving our health situation through food and activity rather than simply 'take a pill' - hubby's father was of the 'I'll eat whatever I want and the doctor can give me medication for whatever happens' school. Hubby saw the outcome of that and chooses otherwise (he may end up being the first male in his paternal family line in several generations to actually live to 'retirement age') Our 'other' (non food related choices) are sometimes different at this point, but not always. We will opt for sustainable, local, organic over processed, transported, GMO vegan (for example). --Deb R |
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| Oceandog
Location: California, USA Posts: 642 |
RE: O Ye of Little Cheese Posted Tuesday, February 8, 2011 at 2:52 PM Ms Molly - I do use the word - but seldom. I don't often describe myself to family, friends, or my dogs. They already know me! I have many beliefs and I find that each of them that I feel very strongly about, somewhere along the line, the "title" has gotten a bad name. I too find it sad. Always offer kindness and a soft word to the beings around you; You do not know their journey. Your words can be the hug they need or the shove that breaks them. |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: O Ye of Little Cheese Posted Tuesday, February 8, 2011 at 2:55 PM oh, and I will say that "that chili queso dish is vegan" to let folks know there's no dairy or meat in it. --Deb R |
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| theodore
Joined: 09/16/10 Posts: 643 |
RE: O Ye of Little Cheese Posted Tuesday, February 8, 2011 at 3:38 PM Wild4Stars wrote: "I eat the plants, all the plants, and nothing but the plants!" So help me God! I like it!Wild4Stars, you do crack me up. Never make assumptions. You'll end up being an A**, and the UMP will TION you. -- Coach Smiley -- Fresh Prince of Bel Air |
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| theodore
Joined: 09/16/10 Posts: 643 |
RE: O Ye of Little Cheese Posted Tuesday, February 8, 2011 at 4:23 PM mollyhorn wrote: Wow... all this over one word. I'm proud to identify as a vegan. For me, it's about ethics and the environment (and health, too), so vegan is a lifestyle. But for the rest of you, why NOT use the word? What's wrong with it? If more nice people would use the term vegan, it wouldn't have any perceived negative stereotype around it. VEGAN AND PROUD! Good points Molly, but even without all the negative stereotypes, the word still makes it sound like we're from another planet. Like Vulcan. Of course the irony is that the Vulcans in Star Trek were actually vegan (check it out on google). In fact the best way to explain your food choices to people in England is to tell them that you're a Vulcan. Then they get it instantly. Although you then have to put up with a table full of people asking you where you get your kelassium from. (I think I've mentioned that before somewhere). Theodore Never make assumptions. You'll end up being an A**, and the UMP will TION you. -- Coach Smiley -- Fresh Prince of Bel Air |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: O Ye of Little Cheese Posted Tuesday, February 8, 2011 at 4:29 PM theodore wrote: Good points Molly, but even without all the negative stereotypes, the word still makes it sound like we're from another planet. Like Vulcan. Of course the irony is that the Vulcans in Star Trek were actually vegan (check it out on google). In fact the best way to explain your food choices to people in England is to tell them that you're a Vulcan. Then they get it instantly. Although you then have to put up with a table full of people asking you where you get your kelassium from. (I think I've mentioned that before somewhere). Theodore Of course, they might poke you to see if you bleed green We generally don't publicize we're vegan, just as we don't generally say a lot about other lifestyle/family choices we've made (or may make in the future). Labels (whether it's vegan or Loonie Party) don't tell the whole story but they do tend to create walls. If someone meets me, we talk, decide we'd like to continue a friendly relationship and we share a meal, at which time I eat only plant based foods, they've already got a basis of knowing (and liking) me to work from. If the relationship starts off as "Hi I'm vegan" it might not get off the ground. Any kindness, gentleness, etc that they've seen in me then flows over into 'vegan' in their mind (I would hope) rather than whatever image they have of 'vegan' (like the PETA red paint throwers) flowing over to me. KWIM? And, thus, their image of what 'vegan' is changes without having to start with labels. |
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| Mariberry
Joined: 01/02/10 Posts: 297 |
RE: O Ye of Little Cheese Posted Tuesday, February 8, 2011 at 4:42 PM For starters, as soon as I saw this subject title in my inbox I knew it was "a Theodore". How about calling yourself a "herbivore"? All we are saying is "Give Peas a Chance" |
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