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| uniquebuys
Joined: 01/07/10 Posts: 69 |
What are acceptable sources of fat? Posted Thursday, January 7, 2010 at 10:16 PM Evening, I was introduced to the book by Dr. Neal Barnard from my Medical Doctor after talking to him about the fact that I have great difficulty with the drug Metformin. I am a newly diagnosed "pre diabetic" client (F/50). The one pill per day of Metformin really is hurting my digestion, yet my Medical experts tell me to stick to it and simply drop the pounds and then they will drop the pills. So, meanwhile, after having that difficulty and then finding "Reversing Diabetes" I easily lost 14 pounds in a month, yet then, I had new problem. So, my progress is now a new set of problem and I sadly have a tear in an unmentionable area and I feel it was because I didn't have enough fats to move things along. So, my new question is: what fats are acceptable for a person like me, who is clearly interested in going the way of Doctor Barnard and his advice? He is a lifesaver for me since I am now 50 and have prediabetes and clearly put myself here from not knowing what to do, but once I saw his book, it was off to the races and the book helped me to drop the fat right out of my life & pounds have seemily melted off, but his way, had a minor drawback in that I didn't have enough fats to not damage my unmentionable area -- an anal fissure because of all of the above. I have a new problem now, and hope it will heal in time, but I need to know if avacados, nuts, Canola Oil with toast are acceptable forms of fat? I have to have more fat for my little 50 year old body to move food along. Otherwise, I have bought 4 copies of the book and given them to people who are just amazed at my progress. Thanks Dr. Barnard and his wonderful staff for giving me back my life. I had been searching for three years to why I wasn't feeling good, and not one person every spelled out for me the facts about diet and what I should do or not do. Now, after 3 months of this new lifestyle, I am thankful. Thanks guys for all you are doing to Reverse Diabetes in me and now, a few of my friends and family, too. Thanks, EJ |
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| Mariberry
Joined: 01/02/10 Posts: 297 |
RE: What are acceptable sources of fat? Posted Thursday, January 7, 2010 at 10:29 PM Hi EJ - I'm not a doctor or a dietician so perhaps Susan will respond when she has time (it must be a full time job just tracking all the posts!) I am wondering about your situation. Do you drink lots of water? I don't think fat is what is needed to "move you along" - it's water. And the fiber from all the fruits and veggies (both containing lots of water) and beans and grains will help too (but drink that water, herbal tea etc. as well). I am diabetic now and also take Metformin but only 1/2 a tab twice a day (when I remember - doh!). If you're taking one tablet, could you cut the dose in half? Maybe that will help. (best check with your doc first though) To be honest, since you're "pre-diabetic" I'm surprised you're even taking it at all yet. Sounds like a painful situation so hope you get resolution soon! (btw, we seem to talk about every thing on these forums so thanks for being brave and sharing All we are saying is "Give Peas a Chance" |
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| Mariberry
Joined: 01/02/10 Posts: 297 |
RE: What are acceptable sources of fat? Posted Thursday, January 7, 2010 at 10:43 PM EJ - should clarify that I meant for you to inquire about cutting the tablet in half and taking it twice a day instead of all at once to see if that helps your digestive upset. All we are saying is "Give Peas a Chance" |
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| serenevannoy
Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 294 |
RE: What are acceptable sources of fat? Posted Thursday, January 7, 2010 at 11:03 PM It's not fat that moves things along -- it's fiber and water. Serene Vannoy, Oakland, CA |
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| Susan Levin
Joined: 12/26/09 Posts: 1191 |
RE: What are acceptable sources of fat? Posted Thursday, January 7, 2010 at 11:42 PM Hello EJ. Correct me if I'm wrong, but sounds like all your numbers are where you want them to be. This is a great thing. And Serene is right - what keeps things moving in your digestive tract are fiber and water, not fat. But let me address fat quickly, especially for someone who needs to have a heightened awareness about diabetes. You want to keep fat low. This means about 10 percent of your calories from fat or, to put it another way, 20 to 30 grams per day. If you are eating nuts and avocados but in limited amounts, then you may be fine. But if you are having continued problems with your numbers or with weight, you may want to really think about lowering the fat even more. That's up to you. As for regularity - FIBER in your whole fruits, vegetables, grains, and legumes. Aim for about 40 grams per day (easy on a plant-based diet). Susan Levin, MS, RD |
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| uniquebuys
Joined: 01/07/10 Posts: 69 |
RE: What are acceptable sources of fat? Posted Friday, January 8, 2010 at 6:44 PM Thank you for the responses. I see it is fiber and water are what keep this all moving along and not necessarily the fats. I am limiting the fats and for the first 3 weeks, had no fat and dropped 14 pounds the first month. In the second month, I did try adding in some fats, and my weight loss was about 1/2 of that. I now want to say, I sure do appreciate the clarification and I will increase the water and fruit. I know that grains, beans, legumes, fruit and water are my staples so just lost sight of the water issue. I have been so busy dealing with trying to bring my A1C number down and caring for the other issues with digestion and such, so I just missed the boat on that, so to speak. I have always been a big fan of water and never drank cokes or teas, but I will try some herbal teas and include that. On herbal teas, I have another question, if you will. How does honey figure in our new diet? I would want honey, so how do you feel about honey? My guess is that it's a food in only tiny bits because I would guess it's not ok since it must convert to a simple sugar and we all know sugars are on the not to do list. EJ |
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| uniquebuys
Joined: 01/07/10 Posts: 69 |
RE: What are acceptable sources of fat? Posted Friday, January 8, 2010 at 8:58 PM Mariberry On the idea of hot tea, I do enjoy it now, but I typically add honey to it, but honey isn't good for my blood sugar, so I am cutting back on that, too. I sure wish some sugar product was ok. Do you have honey in your tea or how do you sweeten it? If honey hurts my overall sugar levels, guess I will give up hot tea, too. The list of things I have given up is long and as of this week includes coffee. I will drink more water and I now understand it's fiber and water that move things along. Also, I will try to eat more salads. I wish you the best in your journey, too, and I know you, too, will get off all the medication for your situation and will reverse your diabetic situation, too. What are your overall numbers? And, your age, etc? Thanks, EJ |
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| Mariberry
Joined: 01/02/10 Posts: 297 |
RE: What are acceptable sources of fat? Posted Friday, January 8, 2010 at 8:58 PM Hi again EJ - congratulations on reducing that A1C number! I'm impressed! I went for my A1C blood test yesterday so am hoping to see an improvement, too, although I have been too focussed on just counting carbs so continued with consuming fats (even though they were almost always "good" fats). I will have to re-read Dr. Barnard's excellent book. If there is an improvement this go 'round, it won't be as good as my next test because now I get the connection!! I did lose two pounds this week though, despite the oils, so I am doing a happy dance!!! I am really feeling concern over your issues with Metformin. With an A1C of 5.6 and your new eating plan, maybe you can discuss with your doctor about stopping it to see if the numbers stay low, especially given how it makes you feel. Sounds very uncomfortable. Re: the tea with honey. Honey is not part of the vegan plan, but do try agave syrup. I hadn't heard of it before reading about it on these forums and I'm here to tell you it's fantastic! No after-taste, low GI and very sweet so less is needed. Definitely a must try. All we are saying is "Give Peas a Chance" |
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| uniquebuys
Joined: 01/07/10 Posts: 69 |
RE: What are acceptable sources of fat? Posted Friday, January 8, 2010 at 9:42 PM Meriberry, Cute name. Guess you like to eat Berries and your name is Mary. Congrats on dropping the pounds. I, too, just get so focused on one area, that I forget all other areas. This challenge I have seems so serious for us, so it is consuming to try and turn our lives around to avoid diabetes. It scares me to death. I am afraid, I'll admit it and so it takes me to some new level of concern and I do overdo, and I think the Doctor's overdo it on the drugs, too, out of similar concerns. On the Agava, I am going to try that. I have bought some after I saw it in one of the recipes' this week where the lady used Agava in a ginger sauce for a green vegetable. I bought the sticks, so we will see. Do you really think the Agava is more acceptable than honey? I guess it breaks down differently in the body. I will read more about that. Thanks for the suggestion! Thanks for your concerns, and I will talk to him. I, too, would think with the low number of 5.6 and with the trouble I am having, he would take me off of it, and so I will see him in February, around the third week in Feb and I will bring it up, for sure. I am seeing the Endocrinologist and I was referred to him after having so much trouble, yet when he saw me, I was on the Barnard diet program and I was only taking 1/2 a day, so I had finally found a way to live with it. I was elated to hear 5.6, but perhaps he is going for 5. He says if I drop the pounds, he will agree to take me off so he ties it all to weight. I have lost a total of about 20 now, so I'm on the road! I am amazed I even stay on it, but I was told by my first Doc that I needed to stay on it even though my anal fissure was a direct result of this. So I have days where I say, "why" am I on this, if I can control it with diet and exercise? And, I have days where I know not everyone has a negative reaction, but I sure do. It feels like acid. Previous to this chapter, I have never had any troubles in this arena as in never..... Thanks, Ej |
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| uniquebuys
Joined: 01/07/10 Posts: 69 |
RE: What are acceptable sources of fat? Posted Saturday, January 9, 2010 at 7:45 PM Serene, Thanks for telling me about the water and fiber that move things along. I was having trouble with that. Ej ~~~ RE: What are acceptable sources of fat?
Serene Vannoy, Oakland, CA |
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| serenevannoy
Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 294 |
RE: What are acceptable sources of fat? Posted Saturday, January 9, 2010 at 9:03 PM Sure! It's a pretty supportive group of folks here. How are you doing with the increase in fiber/water? Some people can be a little bloated/uncomfortable at first if they increase too fast. Serene Vannoy, Oakland, CA |
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| uniquebuys
Joined: 01/07/10 Posts: 69 |
RE: What are acceptable sources of fat? Posted Saturday, January 9, 2010 at 9:45 PM Serene, By the way, I'm enjoying your pictures in your blog. I bet you took them and they do look professional. And, your blog is well written, too. On this end of things, no problems with the increase in water and fiber. So, doing ok. ~~~ |
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| serenevannoy
Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 294 |
RE: What are acceptable sources of fat? Posted Saturday, January 9, 2010 at 9:54 PM Thanks for the compliments. I do take the photos, but I have a long way to go to make them look professional. One of my heroes there is Susan V, who does http://blog.fatfreevegan.com. Now THOSE are some amazing photographs, if you ask me. Serene Vannoy, Oakland, CA |
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| serenevannoy
Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 294 |
RE: What are acceptable sources of fat? Posted Saturday, January 9, 2010 at 9:54 PM By the way, uniquebuys, is that what we should call you? Serene Vannoy, Oakland, CA |
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| uniquebuys
Joined: 01/07/10 Posts: 69 |
RE: What are acceptable sources of fat? Posted Sunday, January 10, 2010 at 10:29 PM Serene, My name is EJ. My user name is the name I use in eBay. I no longer sell in eBay, but continue to use the name. ~~~
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| serenevannoy
Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 294 |
RE: What are acceptable sources of fat? Posted Sunday, January 10, 2010 at 11:33 PM Cool. Nice to meet you, EJ. Serene Vannoy, Oakland, CA |
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JamieR
 Location: Mendocino Coast, Northern California Posts: 116 |
RE: What are acceptable sources of fat? Posted Tuesday, January 12, 2010 at 7:18 PM uniquebuys wrote: The one pill per day of Metformin really is hurting my digestion, yet my Medical experts tell me to stick to it and simply drop the pounds and then they will drop the pills. I am a diabetic, and have been off and on Metformin for years. When I was first diagnosed, it was really intestinal agony (so I really feel for you)...and it took a solid six weeks for me to feel as if I could stray more than 10 feet from a bathroom! That was on the "regular" metformin that was out 13 years ago. Extended release metformin has come out since. When my doctor determined that I should go back on it, she put me on the Extended Release. I was DREADING going back on, but knew it had to be done. I tried to mentally steel myself for what I new was coming. Though she wanted me on a full 2000mg (2 pills 2x a day), I knew I had to start more gently and build up. I was pleasantly surprised that I had NONE of the intestinal distress...ever...using the extended release pills. Within a week, I was up to the prescription level she wanted me at...with no ill effects. So see if extended release is something your doctor could switch you to. It really helped me! September Kickstart Goals: Walk/bike daily, keep up with forum, 100% low-fat vegan experimenting with maximizing FLAVOR!
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| uniquebuys
Joined: 01/07/10 Posts: 69 |
RE: What are acceptable sources of fat? Posted Tuesday, January 12, 2010 at 10:50 PM Greetings fellow board member, I should have been more detailed. I have tried several during this 5 month period and first I was prescribed the Metformin, then Juaniva and then the Metformin ER. I am on the ER now and yet still unless I took 1/2 the dosage, I was in digestion problems. I wonder if it wasn't a problem with the other medications I am taking, but what helped me was to take the 1/2 and follow the Barnard way of eating. With those changes, I get a 5.6 reading. I have weight to drop, so that's my current drive. I so appreciate your suggestion. And, sounds like you, too, suffered and that's just horrible. I know how it just stopped your life and your future thoughts because you became this bowel/digestion problem. The end result of it all was agony. Sorry for you, too. My period seemed terribly wrong, and way too long, but the Doctors said to "stay" on it and I had some hope I would get use to it. Change of subject, but have a question: What are you thoughts on coffee and the digestion issues? I am trying to get off it, completely, thinking it causes too much acid in our systems. Thanks, EJ
The one pill per day of Metformin really is hurting my digestion, yet my Medical experts tell me to stick to it and simply drop the pounds and then they will drop the pills. I am a diabetic, and have been off and on Metformin for years. When I was first diagnosed, it was really intestinal agony (so I really feel for you)...and it took a solid six weeks for me to feel as if I could stray more than 10 feet from a bathroom! That was on the "regular" metformin that was out 13 years ago. Extended release metformin has come out since. When my doctor determined that I should go back on it, she put me on the Extended Release. I was DREADING going back on, but knew it had to be done. I tried to mentally steel myself for what I new was coming. Though she wanted me on a full 2000mg (2 pills 2x a day), I knew I had to start more gently and build up. I was pleasantly surprised that I had NONE of the intestinal distress...ever...using the extended release pills. Within a week, I was up to the prescription level she wanted me at...with no ill effects. So see if extended release is something your doctor could switch you to. It really helped me! |
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| teejaybee
Joined: 01/13/10 Posts: 3 |
RE: What are acceptable sources of fat? Posted Wednesday, January 13, 2010 at 12:11 AM Not a dietician or nutritionist either, but I've found the book Becoming Vegan by Brenda Davis and Vesanto Melina very helpful (and unbiased) for nutrition-related concerns. There's a chapter there on higher-fat vegan diets. |
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| txgirl
Joined: 01/04/10 Location: Pasadena, TX Posts: 82 |
RE: What are acceptable sources of fat? Posted Wednesday, January 13, 2010 at 4:00 PM Back to the honey and tea topic: I've heard conflicting information on how glycemic-friendly agave is. You might want to try experimenting with different teas to find one you like without sweeteners. I really like Celestial Seasoning's Lemon Zinger, Tazo's Zen, and just about any green tea with mint. |
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