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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: Vegan "dining out" options are oversimplified Posted Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 3:41 PM eeww hair and feathers!?! Makes me even happier that we don't buy commercial dough products anymore. --Deb |
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mollyhorn
 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 582 |
RE: Vegan "dining out" options are oversimplified Posted Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 3:58 PM If there is a product that contains a "dough conditioner," call the manufacturer (or email) and ask them what source they use! Many manufacturers are happy to answer these type of questions, and will willingly share their source information. That way, you can be sure of what you're eating, and make an informed choice. Tell them you want a synthetic version of l-cysteine used, and why. The more often they hear from people like us who want a synthetic version, the more likely they are to switch. One company whose products I purchase said they'd gotten enough requests that they are finally moving to switch to a synthetic version. The people's voice really does work! Molly Horn |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: Vegan "dining out" options are oversimplified Posted Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 4:00 PM One of our favorite places recently (and it's a special event, it's half hour or more drive) routinely has vegan and vegetarian options on the menu, both their regular menu and their daily specials. If anyone is in northeastern CT, stop in at the Vanilla Bean Cafe. Yum! We typically will go to places that at least have a salad bar. I've cobbled things together by combining items they have on their menu (like whole wheat tortillas) and salad bar items to create burritos or taco like salads and so on. TGI Friday's used to (maybe still does?) have a roasted red pepper soup that uses a vegetable stock (I checked). I haven't been there in a while so I don't remember the rest of the ingredients, not sure if it's a cream based soup - it's very similar to the roasted pepper carrot soup from week 1 |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: Vegan "dining out" options are oversimplified Posted Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 4:02 PM mollyhorn wrote: The more often they hear from people like us who want a synthetic version, the more likely they are to switch. One company whose products I purchase said they'd gotten enough requests that they are finally moving to switch to a synthetic version. The people's voice really does work! Seems like that same logic has affected a number of products that no longer contain high fructose corn syrup - it's now become a selling point to use sugar!  --Deb |
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| lbraith
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 14 |
RE: Vegan "dining out" options are oversimplified Posted Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 4:06 PM Don't get too excited about this one; the HFCS producers have proposed a new name to the FDA: "corn sugar." Just another way to be more insidious than they are now. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100914/ap_on_bi_ge/us_corn_syrup_image Bugsmom wrote: Seems like that same logic has affected a number of products that no longer contain high fructose corn syrup - it's now become a selling point to use sugar!
--Deb |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: Vegan "dining out" options are oversimplified Posted Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 4:08 PM thanks for the heads up. we mostly try to just go for evaporated cane juice, molasses, something of that sort if we're buying packaged sweetened products. Basically, if it's a product we can purchase on the market shelves and use at home. --Deb |
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Oceandog
 Location: California, USA Posts: 642 |
RE: Vegan "dining out" options are oversimplified Posted Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 5:13 PM While any path you are on is a learning process, we need to treat ourselves and others kindly as they may not have our experiences and not have reached their goals yet. I feel credit needs to be given to PCRM for the work that went behind this program. It is a great jumping start and Susan has been faithfully answering or questions with humor and patience. Lani is our energizer bunny. Jill patiently emailed with me extensively in the January kickstart. I too have been doing this a long time. I do think that asking questions and sharing information is an amazing information gathering experience. I just prefer mine done with gentle kindness. Maybe I am an emotional wimp but I blossom and practically purrrrrrr in the face of gentle kindness and when faced with aggression, hostility, judgment or intolerance I remove it from my life. Period. We get to do this once and I prefer mine filled with kindness. There are great resources out there for us all. Perhaps those of us that have been around a while can take the time to list links and websites (thank you to those who have done so) that will "fill in the blanks" and add additional information for the newbies to take nibbles out of at their own pace. It is about the journey so in the end we can feel comfortable with a life well lived. Always offer kindness and a soft word to the beings around you; You do not know their journey. Your words can be the hug they need or the shove that breaks them. |
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Wild4Stars
 Location: Florida Posts: 832 |
RE: Vegan "dining out" options are oversimplified Posted Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 8:09 AM lbraith wrote: My husband is a bit of the "don't ask, don't tell" type of vegetarian. He will assume something is veg rather than ask about it. I don't mind grilling a waiter. I have seen waiters I would like to grill !! Vikki ~ Wild4Stars@gmail.com |
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| agie
Joined: 09/06/10 Posts: 27 |
RE: Vegan "dining out" options are oversimplified Posted Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM lbraith...perhaps I should have been more clear. I have Celiac Disease and I am a vegan...there are very few restaurants that I can patronize purely because of my Celiac Disease. While a lot of restaurants have GF options, they are not necessarily aware of the contamination restrictions on a person with Celiac Disease, they only accomodate those with gluten/wheat sensitivities. Add into that mix being a vegan and it is more uncomfortable for me than I can possibly make it for the restaurant. More often than not, they are able to make the accomodations for my husband, who is a vegan, but not for myself because of the Celiac Disease. I refuse to pay expensive prices for a plate of veggies that I can spice up at home the way I like! I agree that we need to stand up for ourselves and make the plant-based diet more accessible to everyone who chooses to live this way but my opinion was and is mostly based on a person with Celiac Disease who also chooses to be vegan. |
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| lbraith
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 14 |
RE: Vegan "dining out" options are oversimplified Posted Monday, September 20, 2010 at 4:18 PM Oh yes, I imagine it's much more difficult to eat out as a person with celiac disease than as a vegan, and I can see your point about not wanting to deal with BOTH in a restaurant. In fact, we ate out with family for a birthday last week... at a steak house. Not my first choice for eating out, but what can you do when dad's making the reservation and has to appease 11 people? My aunt, who has celiac disease, had a much more difficult prospect than I did, but there was some fresh fish on the menu that worked for her. For me, I was pleased to discover (when I called ahead) that the restaurant even had a vegan split pea soup as the special! The food industry is changing slowly, because it has to or else lose customers! But it's a long road for them of reformulating recipes and trying to serve a population with such diverse dietary needs. agie wrote: lbraith...perhaps I should have been more clear. I have Celiac Disease and I am a vegan...there are very few restaurants that I can patronize purely because of my Celiac Disease. While a lot of restaurants have GF options, they are not necessarily aware of the contamination restrictions on a person with Celiac Disease, they only accomodate those with gluten/wheat sensitivities. Add into that mix being a vegan and it is more uncomfortable for me than I can possibly make it for the restaurant. More often than not, they are able to make the accomodations for my husband, who is a vegan, but not for myself because of the Celiac Disease. I refuse to pay expensive prices for a plate of veggies that I can spice up at home the way I like!
I agree that we need to stand up for ourselves and make the plant-based diet more accessible to everyone who chooses to live this way but my opinion was and is mostly based on a person with Celiac Disease who also chooses to be vegan. |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: Vegan "dining out" options are oversimplified Posted Monday, September 20, 2010 at 4:27 PM I've heard it twice since this post that the change from "HFCS" to "Corn sugar" has passed. I let my hubby and son know as well - son has been a label reader since he could read. He'd ask what he should check for and I'd show him or write it down so he could match it with labels. He checks for HFCS, hydrogenated oils (or partially hydrogenated), sodium content, carbs, fiber, and we're starting to check fat content in general (thanks to kickstart). He knows to ALSO look at the ingredients for hidden bits that could be trouble. For instance, Thomas' makes some multi grain English muffins that look good on all the above (8 gms fiber, whole grains, etc). However, they also contain sucralose aka Splenda. Artificial sweeteners tend to lead to unhappy people in our house (totally frustrates me all the recipes "for diabetics" that simply replace cups of sugar with cups of chemical sweeteners). |
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| Wild4Stars
Location: Florida Posts: 832 |
RE: Vegan "dining out" options are oversimplified Posted Monday, September 20, 2010 at 4:39 PM Corn sugar sounds SO benign. Once they start renaming all their garbage, label reading is going to need a college degree! Just need to avoid foods that have labels! Vikki ~ Wild4Stars@gmail.com |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: Vegan "dining out" options are oversimplified Posted Monday, September 20, 2010 at 4:44 PM Wild4Stars wrote: Corn sugar sounds SO benign. Once they start renaming all their garbage, label reading is going to need a college degree! Just need to avoid foods that have labels! Yeah, really. We were doing a label check the other night for something and realized how few labels we have in our kitchen Our grocery list is basically ingredients - veggies, fruit, grains, beans, etc. We do have packages for ingredients that we don't make ourselves, like tomato sauce (not pasta sauce, just the mashed down tomatoes - it takes so many tomatoes to make one can of sauce that it's not cost effective for us to do our own...yet) Even then, the labels basically say "tomatoes" (we get organic, no sugar or salt added sauce) or "peas" or whatever. --Deb |
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| Wild4Stars
Location: Florida Posts: 832 |
RE: Vegan "dining out" options are oversimplified Posted Monday, September 20, 2010 at 4:52 PM Sounds like my house. I do have a few convenience foods. Some organic soups, maybe 6-8 ingredients. I keep some Amy's vegan burritos in the freezer for those times I don't want to cook. Try Muir Glen Organic Fire Roasted tomatoes - SO GOOD, on rice, pasta, veggies, you name it. Very Yummy. Vikki ~ Wild4Stars@gmail.com |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: Vegan "dining out" options are oversimplified Posted Monday, September 20, 2010 at 4:56 PM Muir Glen is the brand of tomatoes and sauce that we buy. I'll have to look for the peppers. --Deb |
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| Wild4Stars
Location: Florida Posts: 832 |
RE: Vegan "dining out" options are oversimplified Posted Monday, September 20, 2010 at 5:17 PM It's not peppers, just Fire Roasted Tomatoes. Vikki ~ Wild4Stars@gmail.com |
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| marge
Joined: 09/08/10 Location: Seattle Posts: 211 |
RE: Vegan "dining out" options are oversimplified Posted Monday, September 20, 2010 at 5:48 PM mollyhorn "L-cysteine" that is absolutely GROSS!!! |
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| lbraith
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 14 |
RE: Vegan "dining out" options are oversimplified Posted Monday, September 20, 2010 at 6:26 PM This "corn sugar" thing is ridiculous, but you see what big companies and lobbies with lots of money can achieve. @Marge, I LOVE Vietnamese food. Have never had the "real" stuff, only vegan. When we finally got a Vietnamese restaurant in town, I was beside myself; they offered a couple of vegetarian options with tofu replacing meat and leaving out meat stock/fish sauce. Then about six months ago, they created a whole separate menu with meat analogs, tofu, etc., which basically mimicked the regular menu. Now it's such a treat to go there, and we want to support them and let them know that the vegetarians are out here! Our favorite Chinese restaurant in town has had a separate vegetarian menu as long as we've been going there, over 20 years. We are extremely loyal and have become friends with the vegetarian owner over the years. We're pretty lucky, I guess. |
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| marge
Joined: 09/08/10 Location: Seattle Posts: 211 |
RE: Vegan "dining out" options are oversimplified Posted Monday, September 20, 2010 at 6:31 PM the place is near our neighbor it's called "Pho 99" |
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| lbraith
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 14 |
RE: Vegan "dining out" options are oversimplified Posted Monday, September 20, 2010 at 8:34 PM I know that one; it's a chain, right? Even harder to deal with chains! I won't bother to go to a traditional Thai or Vietnamese place; too hard to communicate and be sure of what I'm getting. If you're near Fountain Valley, check out Au Lac for veg Vietnamese; mostly if not all vegan. http://www.aulac.com/ marge wrote: the place is near our neighbor it's called "Pho 99"
they specialize in pho and they don't speak English, so it would be hard to ask about the menu. |
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