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reciperenovator
 Location: San Diego Posts: 17 |
I thought super low-fat had been disproved? Posted Wednesday, April 6, 2011 at 10:32 AM I understand if people are eating fast food all the time and have heart disease that it's important for them to not fry foods, etc. But I thought the research has shown that the Mediterranean diet, with a blend of healthy plant oils, was the best for us. Today's "low fat" message turned me off a bit. A small amount of oil to saute vegetables or include in a salad dressing is great... I hope this isn't a joyless program... Can someone from the program please explain? Stephanie, The Recipe Renovator
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VeganRecipeGuy
 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 131 |
RE: I thought super low-fat had been disproved? Posted Wednesday, April 6, 2011 at 11:41 AM Well fat is high in calories. If you work hard cultivating land with hand tools, you absolutely would need the calories provided from healthy fats. I can tell you that my wife has normal blood sugar as long as she doesn't eat any cooked fat, and keeps her daily fat intake to under 30 grams. Breaking either one of those rules and she is diagnosable type 2 diabetic. So until somebody disproves that, and by "that", I mean observable reality, we are probably here to stay. Many people fail to get good health on the medeteranian diet because of the calorie dense oils are combined with a sedentary life style. Combine that with the fact that you can't actually get pure olive oil in the states, and it is a problem.
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| fiji51904
Joined: 01/12/10 Location: Ontario, CA Posts: 98 |
RE: I thought super low-fat had been disproved? Posted Wednesday, April 6, 2011 at 11:49 AM www.nytimes.com Heidi |
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| Susan Levin
Joined: 12/26/09 Posts: 1189 |
RE: I thought super low-fat had been disproved? Posted Wednesday, April 6, 2011 at 12:09 PM Our recommendations reflect the best possible way to prevent the most common Western diseases and reverse their symptoms. Mediterranean diets may be better than typical Western diets, but the low-fat, plant-based diet proves time and again to be superior for health. Susan Levin, MS, RD |
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| wen
Joined: 09/08/10 Posts: 54 |
RE: I thought super low-fat had been disproved? Posted Wednesday, April 6, 2011 at 12:25 PM how about fat in nuts??? |
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LaniMuelrath
 Location: California Posts: 557 |
RE: I thought super low-fat had been disproved? Posted Wednesday, April 6, 2011 at 12:46 PM reciperenovator wrote: I understand if people are eating fast food all the time and have heart disease that it's important for them to not fry foods, etc. But I thought the research has shown that the Mediterranean diet, with a blend of healthy plant oils, was the best for us. Today's "low fat" message turned me off a bit. A small amount of oil to saute vegetables or include in a salad dressing is great... I hope this isn't a joyless program... Can someone from the program please explain? The Mediterranean Diet movement is based on findings that there was a slightly reduced risk on diets where saturated and other fats were replaced with olive oil,and more vegetables. Of course Americans took this information and just started pouring olive oil on everything, claiming "Mediterranean Diet" health. A whole foods, plant-strong and starch-based diet such as the PCRM Kickstart provides you with, easily, 7 - 10% dietary fat; add nuts and that jumps quite quickly. The fact is, for most people these low levels have proved over and over again to prevent and reverse obesity, heart disease, and other ailments of modern western diet. We have become accustomed to having certain foodstuffs in our diet - such as oils - that we are thrown a bit when we consider eliminating them. However, this can be done easily with a little bit of effort. I must address the "joyless" reference. There is absolutely nothing joyless about being fit, trim, and energetic; being able to slip easily into any clothes that you like; having more mental clarity and energy...the list goes on. It's important to focus on what you gain rather than what you give up! Thank you Recipe Renovator for a provocative post! Lani Lani Muelrath, M.A. CGFI, CPBN
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2068 |
RE: I thought super low-fat had been disproved? Posted Wednesday, April 6, 2011 at 12:50 PM What I found most interesting/compelling was the information in Dr. Barnard's book relating to how glucose metabolism/insulin resistance is affected by fat in the diet. I'm still working on lowering fat but I do see a decrease in my glucose test results when I keep the fat down. --Deb R |
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| LisaPunk
Joined: 01/06/11 Posts: 42 |
RE: I thought super low-fat had been disproved? Posted Wednesday, April 6, 2011 at 1:13 PM my understanding (and i could be totally wrong) is the stressing of low fat/less oils was specifically for weight loss and not necessarily just for a regular vegan diet??????????? i would have a hard time giving up olive oil. i do believe in "healthy fats" but i also see myself perhaps eating too many healthy fats (ie i have a hummus addiction) for me the first kickstart was more about converting to a vegan diet regardless of hi or lo fat and now at my second kickstart im trying to lower the fat since my big goal is a lot of weight loss |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2068 |
RE: I thought super low-fat had been disproved? Posted Wednesday, April 6, 2011 at 1:14 PM No, low fat is not just for weight loss - it also helps moderate diabetes/glucose metabolism issues. --Deb R |
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| reciperenovator
Location: San Diego Posts: 17 |
RE: I thought super low-fat had been disproved? Posted Wednesday, April 6, 2011 at 1:17 PM Thanks everyone. I do eat this way... and I understand about the health risks and what the Kickstart is trying to address. That's why I started my blog, to help people eat better, and meet them where they're at. You're right Lani, Americans do overdo it. One issue for me is that I'm already gluten- and sugar-free, and now 95% vegan... so one more thing to say no to feels like too much. I don't eat fried foods (maybe french fries once a month), and I stir fry with about a tablespoon of oil for 4-6 servings... I reduce the oil in baked recipes, etc. Dr. Ornish has been doing super-low-fat diets with people for years, which is totally successful in reversing heart disease, but people have trouble staying on the diet, in part because it's so strict, and in part because healthy fats do really taste good. So when I saw the video about "plant fats are bad" It just felt a little too extreme for me. I appreciate all the responses. If you look at the recipes on my blog I think you'll see that I follow your guidelines overall. But I doubt I'm eating at the 10% fat level... probably more like 20% Of course I also exercise, eat moderate portions, etc. It all depends on where people are starting, too. If someone is eating all their meals in fast food restaurants, getting them just to stop doing that will help their health immensely, getting them to go vegan gradually will help, etc. And of course, it's possible to be vegan and eat terribly. VeganRecipeGuy & Bugsmom, I'm so glad to hear that you have figured out how to keep diabetes in check. That's awesome! Keep up the great work! Stephanie, The Recipe Renovator
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2068 |
RE: I thought super low-fat had been disproved? Posted Wednesday, April 6, 2011 at 1:22 PM reciperenovator wrote: VeganRecipeGuy & Bugsmom, I'm so glad to hear that you have figured out how to keep diabetes in check. That's awesome! Keep up the great work! I can't take the credit for it --Deb R |
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| LisaPunk
Joined: 01/06/11 Posts: 42 |
RE: I thought super low-fat had been disproved? Posted Wednesday, April 6, 2011 at 1:22 PM ok so here's my question and maybe i just havent read enough articles on this site or i misinterpretted them, is the Dr Barnard way o life permanently super low in oils?? i cook with olive oil and i dont find it to be excessive or consider it bad at all. |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2068 |
RE: I thought super low-fat had been disproved? Posted Wednesday, April 6, 2011 at 1:32 PM LisaPunk wrote: ok so here's my question and maybe i just havent read enough articles on this site or i misinterpretted them, is the Dr Barnard way o life permanently super low in oils?? i watched the PBS special and i felt like he stressed low oil overall (we are all agreed that too much oil of any kind is bad) but for the weight loss to really REALLY cut WAY back on oil i cook with olive oil and i dont find it to be excessive or consider it bad at all. I guess it depends on your definition of "excessive" and what your goals are. The kickstart plan is to keep fats to 10% (or less) of calories - so if you use the "standard 2000 calories per day" (which is what they use to calculate the %RDA on packages), that would be 200 calories from fat per day (which I think is somewhere just over 20 grams of fat). For example, 1 tablespoon of olive oil has 119 calories, 14 grams of fat. If you use that one tablespoon to make something that is divided into 8 portions, that's a tad over 1.5 grams per serving, about 15 calories. Not too bad. BUT if you're using a tablespoon of olive oil (plus some vinegar etc) to make a single serving of salad dressing, then you're talking nearly a whole day's worth of fat (presuming you're aiming for around 20-23 grams) in that one serving. And, yes, this is not a "3 week quick weight loss plan" - this is designed to be the start of a lifestyle change. --Deb R |
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I saw Dr Barnard on PBS and then picked up his book on reversing diabetes and did some looking around online. It seemed to make sense so I tried my first kickstart back in September and it helped with getting my glucose readings back under control, I lost some weight (not huge amounts but little by little it's going away), I'm keeping my cholesterol levels good (I have a deal with my dr. - no statins until/unless I cannot maintain an LDL level <100 - so far, no meds).| New Topic Reply Subscription Options |
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