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| revolutionoftheheart
Joined: 01/07/10 Location: NYC Posts: 164 |
Flaxseed vs. Fish Oil Posted Monday, September 20, 2010 at 12:06 AM Is fish oil superior to flaxseed? Seems like every doctor says this, and it's hard not to feel insecure about only taking flaxseed. "In their behavior toward creatures, all men are Nazis. Human beings see oppression vividly when they're the victims. Otherwise they victimize blindly and without a thought." Isaac Bashevis Singer, author, Nobel Prize 1978 |
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| Madcat
Joined: 09/07/10 Location: MICHIGAN!!!! Posts: 61 |
RE: Flaxseed vs. Fish Oil Posted Monday, September 20, 2010 at 12:26 AM A lot of Doctors say you need 3 glasses of milk as well. Dr. Barnard explained in his program (I saw on PBS) Reversing Diabetes that fish oil is only 40% omega 3 and that fish oil is unstable. So for all of that fat less than 50% of it would be considered "good" fat with additional Mercury and other pollutants. Just my 2 cents. |
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Wild4Stars
 Location: Florida Posts: 832 |
RE: Flaxseed vs. Fish Oil Posted Monday, September 20, 2010 at 6:53 AM MADCAT makes a good point. We can find a doctor to say just about anything. Remember Dr. Atkins?? You have to choose for yourself what makes sense for you. Those that are here, have obviously chosen a path that does not include animal products. I would never consider fish oil. It even sounds disgusting. I really think that we should stay as close to nature as possible. I eat ground organic flax seeds, not flax seed oil. It's easy to sprinkle on salads, or really anything. I don't cook it in the food, I sprinkle it on just befoe eating. Vikki ~ Wild4Stars@gmail.com |
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| theodore
Joined: 09/16/10 Posts: 643 |
RE: Flaxseed vs. Fish Oil Posted Monday, September 20, 2010 at 6:54 AM The irony is that we are more likely to get better nutritional advice from an oily fish than from a doctor (except for Drs Barnard, McDougall, Esselstyn, Ornish and the like). Perhaps that's why so many doctors recommend eating oily fish. To kill off the competition. Never make assumptions. You'll end up being an A**, and the UMP will TION you. -- Coach Smiley -- Fresh Prince of Bel Air |
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| Wild4Stars
Location: Florida Posts: 832 |
RE: Flaxseed vs. Fish Oil Posted Monday, September 20, 2010 at 7:27 AM theodore wrote: The irony is that we are more likely to get better nutritional advice from an oily fish than from a doctor (except for Drs Barnard, McDougall, Esselstyn, Ornish and the like). Perhaps that's why so many doctors recommend eating oily fish. To kill off the competition. LOL, you crack me totally up. Could be some truth to the humor! Vikki ~ Wild4Stars@gmail.com |
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| theodore
Joined: 09/16/10 Posts: 643 |
RE: Flaxseed vs. Fish Oil Posted Monday, September 20, 2010 at 8:47 AM Thanks for your kind words Wild4Stars. I think in time my theory will definitely be proven right. Never make assumptions. You'll end up being an A**, and the UMP will TION you. -- Coach Smiley -- Fresh Prince of Bel Air |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: Flaxseed vs. Fish Oil Posted Monday, September 20, 2010 at 10:05 AM Wild4Stars wrote: I really think that we should stay as close to nature as possible. I eat ground organic flax seeds, not flax seed oil. It's easy to sprinkle on salads, or really anything. I don't cook it in the food, I sprinkle it on just befoe eating. Is there any reason not to cook it into foods? We're trying to find places to add flaxseed and we're thinking that adding it into things that we eat often, in small amounts, would work out well. For instance, we make our own whole wheat tortillas. So, if we add a sprinkle of flaxseed to the dough, that would be adding in a bit of flaxseed without having to think about it all the time as we're sitting down to eat. Would that be okay or would we be killing off the very good stuff that we're trying to add? --Deb |
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| revolutionoftheheart
Joined: 01/07/10 Location: NYC Posts: 164 |
RE: Flaxseed vs. Fish Oil Posted Monday, September 20, 2010 at 12:30 PM Why is it that people complain about doctors but when you ask them to consider doing something different than what the doctor says, all of a sudden the doctor is the ultimate authority? "In their behavior toward creatures, all men are Nazis. Human beings see oppression vividly when they're the victims. Otherwise they victimize blindly and without a thought." Isaac Bashevis Singer, author, Nobel Prize 1978 |
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mollyhorn
 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 582 |
RE: Flaxseed vs. Fish Oil Posted Monday, September 20, 2010 at 1:15 PM Bugsmom wrote: Wild4Stars wrote: I really think that we should stay as close to nature as possible. I eat ground organic flax seeds, not flax seed oil. It's easy to sprinkle on salads, or really anything. I don't cook it in the food, I sprinkle it on just befoe eating. Is there any reason not to cook it into foods? We're trying to find places to add flaxseed and we're thinking that adding it into things that we eat often, in small amounts, would work out well. For instance, we make our own whole wheat tortillas. So, if we add a sprinkle of flaxseed to the dough, that would be adding in a bit of flaxseed without having to think about it all the time as we're sitting down to eat. Would that be okay or would we be killing off the very good stuff that we're trying to add? --Deb From what I've read, flax is very heat-sensitive, and some of the beneficial compounds of the omega acids can be destroyed at high heats. Therefore, to be on the safe side, it's best to heat it as little as possible. I think some cooking is okay, but you don't want to get it up to really high heats. Molly Horn |
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| jmyers1050
Joined: 12/31/09 Location: Arizona Posts: 43 |
RE: Flaxseed vs. Fish Oil Posted Monday, September 20, 2010 at 1:19 PM My understanding is that some recommend fish oil because it has DHA & EPA fatty acids already, whereas the body has to convert the omega-3's from flaxseed into DHA or EPA. However, if you are concerned about your body's ability to convert the flaxseed, you can also get DHA made from algae, which is where the fish get it to begin with. For in-depth info on this, see the following web page by Jack Norris, RD: |
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| revolutionoftheheart
Joined: 01/07/10 Location: NYC Posts: 164 |
RE: Flaxseed vs. Fish Oil Posted Monday, September 20, 2010 at 2:26 PM jmyers1050 wrote: My understanding is that some recommend fish oil because it has DHA & EPA fatty acids already, whereas the body has to convert the omega-3's from flaxseed into DHA or EPA. However, if you are concerned about your body's ability to convert the flaxseed, you can also get DHA made from algae, which is where the fish get it to begin with. For in-depth info on this, see the following web page by Jack Norris, RD: Thanks for the article, and it has names of what to buy, that's good. "In their behavior toward creatures, all men are Nazis. Human beings see oppression vividly when they're the victims. Otherwise they victimize blindly and without a thought." Isaac Bashevis Singer, author, Nobel Prize 1978 |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: Flaxseed vs. Fish Oil Posted Monday, September 20, 2010 at 2:41 PM mollyhorn wrote: From what I've read, flax is very heat-sensitive, and some of the beneficial compounds of the omega acids can be destroyed at high heats. Therefore, to be on the safe side, it's best to heat it as little as possible. I think some cooking is okay, but you don't want to get it up to really high heats. Tortillas get cooked by "dry frying" in a hot skillet (no oil or other substance added to the pan). Not sure if that's too hot or not. Adding it to oatmeal is probably not a problem. Baking would probably be a problem since it gets to 350-450 (depending on recipe) and stays there for a while. Hubby makes some tasty "Seedy crisps" that use flax seeds (well, we add flax seeds even though it's not in the recipe - and sesame seeds and poppy seeds and whole wheat and 3 tbl olive oil for the entire recipe and it makes a BUNCH of crackers) --Deb |
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| revolutionoftheheart
Joined: 01/07/10 Location: NYC Posts: 164 |
RE: Flaxseed vs. Fish Oil Posted Tuesday, October 12, 2010 at 12:43 PM okay back to this topic ... just a little frustrated and perplexed about this issue. was chatting with my near-vegan beau (admittedly, I am near-vegan because at the moment I am taking D3 in an olive oil base, and temporarily taking fish oil supplements to see how it affects certain aspects of my blood-work and other aspects of how I feel -- but my vegan conscience would rather not take either) about this issue and he said his cardiologist (who is a pescatarian) says that it is a FACT that fish and fish oil are good for you ... and are superior to any plant-based source. He said The Doctor says it is good for everything ... and that it has some component that keeps the arteries clean ... that vegans will still have some plaque build-up. Therefore because his doctor says so, he will continue to take fish oil supplements. So what can I say to this -- I can show him all the PCRM links on this topic, but like 99% of people, he will be very reticent to go against doctor advice. So basically my question is, if the PCRM is right ... why are doctors so far behind ... and is there any perceptible progress being made on changing conventional medical opinion? "In their behavior toward creatures, all men are Nazis. Human beings see oppression vividly when they're the victims. Otherwise they victimize blindly and without a thought." Isaac Bashevis Singer, author, Nobel Prize 1978 |
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| theodore
Joined: 09/16/10 Posts: 643 |
RE: Flaxseed vs. Fish Oil Posted Tuesday, October 12, 2010 at 6:04 PM . Never make assumptions. You'll end up being an A**, and the UMP will TION you. -- Coach Smiley -- Fresh Prince of Bel Air |
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| revolutionoftheheart
Joined: 01/07/10 Location: NYC Posts: 164 |
RE: Flaxseed vs. Fish Oil Posted Tuesday, October 12, 2010 at 6:18 PM Thank you Monty Python, that really clarified things for me Frankly, the only reason I still bother to go for checkups with my GP is because she’s such a bloody fox. And by the above the statement, literally taken, I can presume that you are an obligate carnivore? Cheers from NYC Theodore "In their behavior toward creatures, all men are Nazis. Human beings see oppression vividly when they're the victims. Otherwise they victimize blindly and without a thought." Isaac Bashevis Singer, author, Nobel Prize 1978 |
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| theodore
Joined: 09/16/10 Posts: 643 |
RE: Flaxseed vs. Fish Oil Posted Wednesday, October 13, 2010 at 2:25 AM Thank YOU for raising the issue R.O.T.H. P.S. - No, I'm not an obligate carnivore. I'm a non-lacto-non-ovo-plenty-alio-pecunio-vegetarian. Basically, I'm a vegan who eats more when someone else is paying. Never make assumptions. You'll end up being an A**, and the UMP will TION you. -- Coach Smiley -- Fresh Prince of Bel Air |
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