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| Bluesgyrl
Joined: 01/06/10 Posts: 159 |
Oil clarification Posted Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 10:32 PM I posed this question over the Kickstart break and never received any feed back so I am going to try again. I know all you iknowledgable people will be able to provide some clarification. I read in one of the Skinny Bitch's receipe books about how certain oils such as olive oil are actually toxic when heated. They say that they only use coconut oil for cooking. I thought that coconut oil contained saturated fats? Any takers? Pleassssseee. |
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mollyhorn
 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 582 |
RE: Oil clarification Posted Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 11:41 PM This is really a question for Susan, so maybe you can email her directly, but PCRM's position is to avoid ALL added fats, especially oils. Yes, oils become toxic at high temperatures. That's where the term "smoke point" comes from. And yes, coconut oil contains saturated fat, a large percentage of it. (If I remember correctly, all oil contains at least a minuscule amount of saturated fat.) I think that PCRM's overall position is to get the fat, especially the oil, out completely. I trust them a LOT more than I trust the Skinny Bitch girls. Rory Freedman is not a doctor. Molly Horn |
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| revolutionoftheheart
Joined: 01/07/10 Location: NYC Posts: 164 |
RE: Oil clarification Posted Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 8:07 AM But if one is not ready right now to forego oil, would the PCRM say (albeit reluctantly) that coconut oil is ok? "In their behavior toward creatures, all men are Nazis. Human beings see oppression vividly when they're the victims. Otherwise they victimize blindly and without a thought." Isaac Bashevis Singer, author, Nobel Prize 1978 |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: Oil clarification Posted Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 9:41 AM I'd actually rather use olive oil than coconut oil and not heat it very high - hubby is very particular about which oils he uses for what applications. 1 tbl of oil in a pan is usually plenty, sometimes more than enough. --Deb |
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| Susan Levin
Joined: 12/26/09 Posts: 1191 |
RE: Oil clarification Posted Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 10:12 AM A fat that is more saturated will have a higher smoke point, which means it can be heated to higher temperatures and not be destroyed. Therefore the tradition of frying in coconut oil, crisco, and lard. Fats like flax seed oil that have fewer saturated hydrogen bonds are very unstable when heated. They shouldn't really even be at room temperature for long. Susan Levin, MS, RD |
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| revolutionoftheheart
Joined: 01/07/10 Location: NYC Posts: 164 |
RE: Oil clarification Posted Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 11:57 AM Susan Levin wrote: A fat that is more saturated will have a higher smoke point, which means it can be heated to higher temperatures and not be destroyed. Therefore the tradition of frying in coconut oil, crisco, and lard. Fats like flax seed oil that have fewer saturated hydrogen bonds are very unstable when heated. They shouldn't really even be at room temperature for long. But so many claims re: the virtues of coconut oil ... i.e., The Coconut Miracle. Not at all true? "In their behavior toward creatures, all men are Nazis. Human beings see oppression vividly when they're the victims. Otherwise they victimize blindly and without a thought." Isaac Bashevis Singer, author, Nobel Prize 1978 |
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| Susan Levin
Joined: 12/26/09 Posts: 1191 |
RE: Oil clarification Posted Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 12:05 PM There's no scientific research to back up those health claims. And coconut oil is very high in saturated fat which as we all know contributes to high cholesterol and heart disease. I'm going to have to put this product in with other refined sources of fat - limit if not eliminate. Susan Levin, MS, RD |
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| revolutionoftheheart
Joined: 01/07/10 Location: NYC Posts: 164 |
RE: Oil clarification Posted Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 12:29 PM Susan Levin wrote: There's no scientific research to back up those health claims. And coconut oil is very high in saturated fat which as we all know contributes to high cholesterol and heart disease. I'm going to have to put this product in with other refined sources of fat - limit if not eliminate. I guess baking cakes and cookies are verboden then ... well, I knew that anyway. White flour, sugar, oil. Dr. McDouggal has a podcast called "The Fat Vegan" which I've been trying to find. Is there a link to the podcast that anyone knows of? I bring it up because I've been vegan 3 years and have not been able to lose anything (until recently where I lost 20 pounds from a herniated disc ordeal, but that's another story). Not that I'm fat, just at the upper limit of my recommended weight range. But this was the case even before I went vegan. Took me 6 mths to lose 10 lbs. on Weight Watchers. Anyway, my observation is that though many vegans are slender, there are a good amount that are "zaftig". Is it any wonder when you see the plethora of recipes and joy of vegan baked goodies that abound. Seems to me that it's counterproductive to be vegan, and then indulge in vegan junk food. But hay, once in a while a small portion? Like the to-die-for vegan banana bread that I just made (with coconut oil and a little coconut flour)? "In their behavior toward creatures, all men are Nazis. Human beings see oppression vividly when they're the victims. Otherwise they victimize blindly and without a thought." Isaac Bashevis Singer, author, Nobel Prize 1978 |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: Oil clarification Posted Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 12:30 PM revolutionoftheheart wrote: I guess baking cakes and cookies are verboden then ... well, I knew that anyway. White flour, sugar, oil.
Dr. McDouggal has a podcast called "The Fat Vegan" which I've been trying to find. Is there a link to the podcast that anyone knows of? I bring it up because I've been vegan 3 years and have not been able to lose anything (until recently where I lost 20 pounds from a herniated disc ordeal, but that's another story). Not that I'm fat, just at the upper limit of my recommended weight range. But this was the case even before I went vegan. Took my 6 mths to lose 10 lbs. on Weight Watchers. Anyway, my observation is that though many vegans are slender, there are a good amount that are "zaftig". Is it any wonder when you see the plethora of recipes and joy of vegan baked goodies that abound. Seems to me that it's counterproductive to be vegan, and then indulge in vegan junk food. |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: Oil clarification Posted Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 12:30 PM revolutionoftheheart wrote: I guess baking cakes and cookies are verboden then ... well, I knew that anyway. White flour, sugar, oil. That's assuming you HAVE TO use white flour, sugar and oil to bake cookies and cakes. That's not exactly true. We use home-ground whole wheat flour. Depending on the application we'll use molasses, evaporated cane juice, agave, apple sauce, mashed banana, etc. for the sweetening and fat components. For instance, we make a PB cookie that is PB, rolled oats, whole wheat, mashed banana, non-fat plain yogurt (*yes that's not vegan, we haven't gotten to adjusting that yet), raisins, cinnamon. No sugar or oil or butter or shortening. And, there are a bunch more recipes that don't add oil or use white flour and sugar - check out the PCRM Power Plate - they've got banana muffins and other baked goods there as well as tons of vegan baking recipes online. The key is learning what substitutes for what so you can adapt favorite recipes. --Deb |
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| revolutionoftheheart
Joined: 01/07/10 Location: NYC Posts: 164 |
RE: Oil clarification Posted Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 12:35 PM oh good I'll check that for recipes. I used to make an apple oat bran muffin (sugar & fat free) from the Weil website. Quite good. "In their behavior toward creatures, all men are Nazis. Human beings see oppression vividly when they're the victims. Otherwise they victimize blindly and without a thought." Isaac Bashevis Singer, author, Nobel Prize 1978 |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: Oil clarification Posted Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 12:36 PM revolutionoftheheart wrote: Hi Bugsmom -- your message didn't show up. yeah, it glitched but I took care of it --Deb |
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| margiereilly
Joined: 09/07/10 Posts: 16 |
RE: Oil clarification Posted Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 1:31 PM This coconut oil issue is addressed in one of the talks given at the Advanced Study Weekend at MCDougall's Santa Rosa location. I believe it was Dr. Michael Greger, MD who studies all the nutritional journals each year and then formulates a synopsis of the latest findings from scientific research in nutrition. I would google Dr. Michael Greger, MD or go onto the McDougall website and ask Jeff Novick,RD that question. He, too, was at the weekend and his memory is better than mine. I know that coconut oil is no health food. Oils, in general, line the arteries, clog the arteries, produce artheroschlerosis(sp?)and this oil is particularly dangerous to the body. |
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| margiereilly
Joined: 09/07/10 Posts: 16 |
RE: Oil clarification Posted Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 1:33 PM I am thinking that most of you already know that using parchment paper to line the pans is far superior to lightly spraying with oil or Pam. Around November and Thanksgiving time, I load up on my purchase of parchment paper which I use to line trays of veggies that I bake in the oven, etc. |
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| DianeJ
Joined: 01/01/10 Posts: 134 |
RE: Oil clarification Posted Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 4:11 PM Another point of view....and please note I do understand that, for the most part, this plan, and certainly Dr. McDougalls are recommended "no added oil" plans- not trying to debate that. But could not remember what I had read about the "advantages" of coconut oil, so pulled out my copy of "The New Whole Foods Encyclopedia" by Rebecca Wood, a respected and award winning whole foods chef, researcher and author. Accordingly, "coconut oil is highly saturated, but is a healthy fat for vegetarians and people with low-fat/cholesterol consumption. It and palm oil are the only unrefined vegetarian fats that are not denatured when heated above 240 degrees. Unrefined coconut oil is over 50 percent medium-chain fatty acids, the kind that are not stored as fat. Rather the body metabolizes medium-chain fatty acids into energy. Possibly the most remarkable property, however, is that its one of the few significant plant sources of lauric acid. This medium-chain fatty acid , which is found in human milk, enhances brain function and the immune system. Unrefined coconut oil is free of the toxic trans-fatty acids found in hydrogenated and refined oils, and does not appear to clog the arteries." Again, just "food for thought", not trying to change any minds. |
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| margiereilly
Joined: 09/07/10 Posts: 16 |
RE: Oil clarification Posted Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 1:34 AM I did hear that if you are on a deserted island and in need of a transfusion of blood, if you had the equipment, that coconut water could substitute for blood in a pinch. However, the fat you eat is the fat you wear. A doctor could insert a needle into your fatty deposits on your body and tell exactly which fat you prefer from the composition of the fat withdrawn. |
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