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deborahjm
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Dr. Barnard on The Doctors Show today Posted Wednesday, October 26, 2011 at 11:56 PM Did anyone see the Doctors segment about two sisters' disagreement over one's vegan lifestyle today? Dr. Barnard explained the benefits of the vegan diet. The other doctors weren't very receptive, expecially the GYN. I don't usually watch daytime TV but walked through the room, saw Dr. Barnard and sat down to watch. Jillian Michaels brought up the problem of accessibility of foods needed for a vegan diet. Really? Most grocery stores carry vegetables, beans, grains, etc. I checked their forums to see what reaction viewers had to the segment. There are a few topics about it on there. Of course, more con than pro. One person posted that Dr. Barnard's statement that the vegan lifestyle will cure type 2 diabetes was far fetched and called it a fad lifestyle. One person did mention how "good the vegan Dr.'s skin looked." |
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| Susan Levin
Joined: 12/26/09 Posts: 1191 |
RE: Dr. Barnard on The Doctors Show today Posted Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 6:15 AM I found it frustrating to watch. I could not believe a doctor (the OB GYN) said vegan diets are not good for pregnant women, because the women can not get all of their nutrients. A 100% incorrect statement. I'm afraid I would have probably responded, "I can't believe you are a doctor - that's scary. Please read the ADA's position paper which states vegan diets are not only appropriate but beneficial for all life cycles including pregnancy." I guess that's why I don't get to go on those shows! Susan Levin, MS, RD |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: Dr. Barnard on The Doctors Show today Posted Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 9:42 AM deborahjm wrote: One person posted that Dr. Barnard's statement that the vegan lifestyle will cure type 2 diabetes was far fetched and called it a fad lifestyle. I would probably have had a little trouble with the idea of 'curing' type 2 diabetes. And, in most of Dr. Barnard's writings and such that I've seen, he rarely uses the word 'cure'. Mostly he says that it can lead to reduction or elimination of medication, better glucose control, etc. Because a 'cure' means that after a time, you can go back to doing whatever you were doing and be fine. If you have pneumonia and you're 'cured', you can go about your day and do whatever you want, without any special care needed, and it doesn't recur. With type 2 diabetes, yes a low fat vegan lifestyle will reduce or eliminate medication needed and slow or stop the progression of the usual downward spiral of diabetes. BUT if you get things under control, reduce meds, etc. and then go back to eating whatever (increased fat, animal products, etc) you'll be right back where you were with diabetes. It wasn't 'cured', it's a long term chronic issue that needs long term permanent changes in order to maintain that better state. If there was a 'cure', you could eliminate animal products and lower fat intake for 6 months, a year, etc and it would go away and stay gone once you started eating cheeseburgers again. --Deb R |
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| Mariberry
Joined: 01/02/10 Posts: 297 |
RE: Dr. Barnard on The Doctors Show today Posted Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 9:44 AM Susan Levin wrote: I'm afraid I would have probably responded, "I can't believe you are a doctor - that's scary. Please read the ADA's position paper which states vegan diets are not only appropriate but beneficial for all life cycles including pregnancy." Susan, maybe you should email your thoughts to her anyway, or put them on the sites for all to read. Just reading the responses from the doctors and Jillian Michaels (yeah, like she's an expert), got my knickers in a knot. Gah! All we are saying is "Give Peas a Chance" |
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| Susan Levin
Joined: 12/26/09 Posts: 1191 |
RE: Dr. Barnard on The Doctors Show today Posted Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 10:52 AM Yeah - maybe I will email her! Did Dr. Barnard really say, "cured"? I'd be surprised if he did. I didn't see him say that, but I missed the part of the show where the two sisters were talking. Susan Levin, MS, RD |
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| deborahjm
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RE: Dr. Barnard on The Doctors Show today Posted Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 11:15 AM No, Dr. Barnard did NOT say "cured" - that was from a post on their forum. He displayed a graph that showed Vegans on the low end (2.9%) of diabetes prevalance among all groups. The video of the whole segment is on their website. Dr. Stork did applaud Dr. Barnard for his work. |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: Dr. Barnard on The Doctors Show today Posted Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 12:12 PM deborahjm wrote: No, Dr. Barnard did NOT say "cured" - that was from a post on their forum. He displayed a graph that showed Vegans on the low end (2.9%) of diabetes prevalance among all groups. The video of the whole segment is on their website. Dr. Stork did applaud Dr. Barnard for his work. Okay, that sounds more like what I've seen and heard before. --Deb R |
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| deborahjm
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RE: Dr. Barnard on The Doctors Show today Posted Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 2:36 PM Sorry, I should have stated that - I was relating the interpretation that I saw on the forums. They weren't listening to the material as it was presented. So many people could benefit from the vegan lifestyle. I was disappointed that they seemed to be ready with an argument. Deborah |
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| theodore
Joined: 09/16/10 Posts: 643 |
RE: Dr. Barnard on The Doctors Show today Posted Friday, October 28, 2011 at 10:25 AM Susan Levin wrote: ......I'm afraid I would have probably responded, "I can't believe you are a doctor - that's scary......" I guess that's why I don't get to go on those shows! Dang Susan, we need to get you onto some of those shows. Never make assumptions. You'll end up being an A**, and the UMP will TION you. -- Coach Smiley -- Fresh Prince of Bel Air |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: Dr. Barnard on The Doctors Show today Posted Friday, October 28, 2011 at 10:45 AM deborahjm wrote: Jillian Michaels brought up the problem of accessibility of foods needed for a vegan diet. Really? Most grocery stores carry vegetables, beans, grains, etc. Many people think that things like tofu and tempeh products, soy cheese, stuff that's usually called "transition food" on the kickstart, is necessary for a vegan diet - and those can be hard to find and/or expensive. For that matter, there's usually at least one thread on each kickstart asking about where to find nutritional yeast or some other ingredient like quinoa that is used in one or more recipes/suggestions but isn't a 'common' grocery store item. For that matter, a friend of mine in the boonies of Tennessee has a hard time finding things like lentils in the grocery store and any fruits or veggies beyond iceberg lettuce and hothouse tomatoes, carrots, celery, and potatoes can be tough - kale? chard? napa cabbage? unlikely. So, yeah, for some people in some locations, it might be difficult to find certain things but it's easy enough (most of the time) to find substitutes - for ex: it's easy to find collards and dandelion greens in Tennessee, even if chard and kale aren't so much. And, too, Jillian may not have shopped for herself in the recent past - I'm starting to see a lot more of our 'usual' stuff showing up on the chain grocery store shelves. Quinoa even! Dry, plain, ready to cook quinoa (not just quinoa pasta or other prepared foods). Lentils, too, in more varieties as well. I used to have a list of things that I could only get at the vegetarian co-op but that has dwindled over time as more and more of the items are available at the plain ole grocery store. There are still items we prefer to get at the co-op because of the quality (and sometimes their price is better because they stock more of it) and there are some things we can still ONLY get there (Like buying 25 lb sacks of wheatberries to make flour). --Deb R |
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| deborahjm
Posts: 162 |
RE: Dr. Barnard on The Doctors Show today Posted Friday, October 28, 2011 at 2:13 PM That's true about the tofu, etc. When I started, I went in search of those items and was probably one of the people asking where to find nutritional yeast. |
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| kiwi
Joined: 01/03/11 Location: New Zealand Posts: 405 |
RE: Dr. Barnard on The Doctors Show today Posted Friday, October 28, 2011 at 2:43 PM Bugsmom wrote: deborahjm wrote: Jillian Michaels brought up the problem of accessibility of foods needed for a vegan diet. Really? Most grocery stores carry vegetables, beans, grains, etc. I'm starting to see a lot more of our 'usual' stuff showing up on the chain grocery store shelves. Quinoa even! Dry, plain, ready to cook quinoa (not just quinoa pasta or other --Deb R Its true in New Zealand too. I used to have to go to the local organic store that also stocked a greater range and variety of beans, grains and other "vegetarian/vegan" foods. It is however more expensive. For the past year there has been a remarkable turnaround and most things are now in regular supermarkets. I have noticed a big increase in organic products, and a bigger range of foods available. I think this trend has come about simply because of people power and customers looking for healthier options. The supermarkets would not stock items they were not selling as they are a business. The more upmarket supermarket in town has been doing this for some time but now even the cut price supermarket has joined in. Some have these items mixed in with other not so healthy items so you have to look around more. Others have a specific isle or section of health foods and gluten free products so there is not so much hunting around required. Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food - Hippocrates. |
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| theodore
Joined: 09/16/10 Posts: 643 |
RE: Dr. Barnard on The Doctors Show today Posted Monday, October 31, 2011 at 3:11 PM Bugsmom wrote: I would probably have had a little trouble with the idea of 'curing' type 2 diabetes. And, in most of Dr. Barnard's writings and such that I've seen, he rarely uses the word 'cure'. Mostly he says that it can lead to reduction or elimination of medication, better glucose control, etc. Because a 'cure' means that after a time, you can go back to doing whatever you were doing and be fine. If you have pneumonia and you're 'cured', you can go about your day and do whatever you want, without any special care needed, and it doesn't recur. With type 2 diabetes, yes a low fat vegan lifestyle will reduce or eliminate medication needed and slow or stop the progression of the usual downward spiral of diabetes. BUT if you get things under control, reduce meds, etc. and then go back to eating whatever (increased fat, animal products, etc) you'll be right back where you were with diabetes. It wasn't 'cured', it's a long term chronic issue that needs long term permanent changes in order to maintain that better state. If there was a 'cure', you could eliminate animal products and lower fat intake for 6 months, a year, etc and it would go away and stay gone once you started eating cheeseburgers again. --Deb R A point which Jeff Novick made a few months ago is that no-one (whether diabetic or non-diabetic) will ever be in a position where they can eat whatever they like and not risk getting diabetes. So if that's the definition of "cured" then there has never been and will never be a cure for it. Never make assumptions. You'll end up being an A**, and the UMP will TION you. -- Coach Smiley -- Fresh Prince of Bel Air |
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