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| rorok
Joined: 01/20/10 Posts: 4 |
hypothyroid and veganism Posted Wednesday, January 20, 2010 at 12:33 PM HI! |
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| goobygirl
Joined: 12/31/09 Posts: 70 |
RE: hypothyroid and veganism Posted Wednesday, January 20, 2010 at 1:13 PM Im hypothyroid and I have never heard of the restrictions on fiber /calcium/iron. I also have hashimotos. The only restriction I have been told us to keep an empty stomach 1/2 after taking. Can you set your alarm and take the thyroid meds 4 hrs before eating? Then you will have it on an empty stomach and no interactions. |
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| goobygirl
Joined: 12/31/09 Posts: 70 |
RE: hypothyroid and veganism Posted Wednesday, January 20, 2010 at 1:15 PM I meant take 4 hrs before waking up... |
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| goobygirl
Joined: 12/31/09 Posts: 70 |
RE: hypothyroid and veganism Posted Wednesday, January 20, 2010 at 1:21 PM I don't have a problem limiting soy. I make my own almond milk for smoothies, you can use (even make!) seitan (a wheat meat substitute) and make your frozen treats out if fruit. There are books in veganism that limit soy (i believe the alternative vegan us one) and I have read that simple soy like milk and tofu are better than the more complex versions like fake meats anyhow. What do you want/plan to use soy for? It certainly is not a necessity for soy in a vegan diet. Look up some raw vegan recipes, none of those use soy, and they dont even cook. In their recipes! |
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| goobygirl
Joined: 12/31/09 Posts: 70 |
RE: hypothyroid and veganism Posted Wednesday, January 20, 2010 at 1:22 PM *is not us, small keypad on phone, sorry.. |
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LaniMuelrath
 Location: California Posts: 557 |
RE: hypothyroid and veganism Posted Wednesday, January 20, 2010 at 1:58 PM You can do the whole deal without soy, or strictly limited if you have other concerns. As for the fiber - can you have moderate fiber, just not high fiber? Or is it any fiber you need to avoid? Lani Lani Muelrath, M.A. CGFI, CPBN
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| kandoo
Joined: 01/01/10 Posts: 76 |
RE: hypothyroid and veganism Posted Wednesday, January 20, 2010 at 4:52 PM Just a quick note on hashimoto thyroiditis...I too was diagnosed with this type of hypothyroidism approx. 25 yrs ago (not sure exactly...time flies). After changing my diet to plant based, I had the physician follow my thyroid values as I slowly came off of the thyroid replacement. All of labs are normal and I haven't needed replacement in 20 yrs. |
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| goobygirl
Joined: 12/31/09 Posts: 70 |
RE: hypothyroid and veganism Posted Wednesday, January 20, 2010 at 6:18 PM Thanks kandoo. Im also thyroid resistant and thyroid blood tests cannot tell you how your cells are using thyroid meds, can only tell you what your blood levels of thyroid are. So blood tests are completely useless for me. I have been able to significantly reduce my thyroid using a medical protocol that addresses inflammation. I have been low dairy vegetarian for 9 years, which i cannot really assess whether that helped or not becausevi went veggie about the same time my thyroid issues came to light. |
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| kandoo
Joined: 01/01/10 Posts: 76 |
RE: hypothyroid and veganism Posted Wednesday, January 20, 2010 at 7:03 PM Gooby, |
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| rb
Joined: 12/30/09 Posts: 85 |
RE: hypothyroid and veganism Posted Thursday, January 21, 2010 at 12:15 AM I'm hypothyroid too, and that 4 hours thing is a hassle! Yes, you are not supposed to have things with iron or calcium within 4 hours of taking it - it depletes the effectiveness of the medicine. For some reason, not all doctors tell their patients that - I worked with someone who had been on thyroid medicine for years and had only been told to take them on an empty stomach. But yes, you need to wait 4 hours. When I was taking them twice a day, it was crazy - I had the tiniest window to eat or take a vitamin, etc and if I forgot, it screwed everything up. I was watching the clock and strategizing. My doctor finally said to take everything in the morning in just one dose and that has made life a lot easier. What did you hear about soy and the thyroid? I've heard mixed. |
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| rorok
Joined: 01/20/10 Posts: 4 |
RE: hypothyroid and veganism Posted Thursday, January 21, 2010 at 5:58 PM I'm glad someone has heard as I have! I've been having this conversation with a hashimoto-pal for over a year, and each time she's like - well, "my doctor didn't' say anything. there are no labels on my bottle." She has to increase her meds every 3 months. Hello? You are your own best advocate. You should know what it is you are putting into your body. Not a single one of my docs has taken 5 min to tell me how to take the meds, except "on an empty stomach," but if you read the pamphlets that fill your paper RX bag, it's all there. Sometimes the labels are on the bottles, sometimes not. p.s... I'm taking Cytomel and Synthroid. Walnuts, raw cruciferous vegetables, soy... all effect how the medication works. Makes it hard to be vegi! I used to just eat 2 egg whites with my tea in the a.m. ( I was lacto-ovo), but now that's been out for a while, so I'm not sure what to do. I just stay hungry til 11 or so. So, what is it that you eat for breakfast? I would normally have oatmeal and fruit... or soy yogurt and toast with jam... lots of fiber, and calcium, and iron. I'm so stuck as to how to start the morning. Sure, I guess I could set the alarm to 3 am each day to take my meds, but I'm one of those that once I'm awake, that's it! Regarding the soy, I've heard a lot of mixed information, much of it pointing to it's negative effects on (female) hormones, especially when eaten in excess. what is excess? I'm not sure, but I know that there are so many soy products, mostly super processed, that are placed into our foods as fillers and protein supplements. I was surprised when I started looking - its even in vitamins! As a vegan, it's so tempting to eat meat substitutes, but the bottom line is that they are not whole foods. Fresh, organic soy beans or miso or homemade tofu are fine within limits, but eating something that used to be a plant and is made to look and taste and smell like a chicken or like bacon, health concerns aside, seems odd to me, especially that my main reason for being vegan is to NOT eat meat products, hence anything that is pretending to be meat falls in that bracket. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated! |
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| rorok
Joined: 01/20/10 Posts: 4 |
RE: hypothyroid and veganism Posted Thursday, January 21, 2010 at 6:11 PM Oh, and Goobygirl, thanks so much for the book suggestion. Just looked it up, and ordered it! |
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| goobygirl
Joined: 12/31/09 Posts: 70 |
RE: hypothyroid and veganism Posted Thursday, January 21, 2010 at 7:02 PM Ok what about taking thyroid med on empty stomach before bed? |
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| rb
Joined: 12/30/09 Posts: 85 |
RE: hypothyroid and veganism Posted Thursday, January 21, 2010 at 9:13 PM You always take thyroid medication on an empty stomach. That's what I was told. That's why it's easier to take first thing in the morning. I keep water by my bed, and take them first thing, then shower and get ready, and then eat. If I have to wait, I wait. Also important is taking them around the same time every day. When I was overseas on vacation a couple of years ago, my doctor said I should stick to that (my US schedule), rather than go with the time change. It ended up being mid-afternoon that I had to take it there, which was a hassle when you're walking around all day and want a snack before the late-dinner Europeans open their restaurants for dinner. But I did it. What's the problem with oatmeal? That's what I have been having daily since this program started. I forgot about the walnuts part - I was told that too. I'll have to save them till later in the day. Yeah, I had a great doctor - he told me everything about everything. Respectful, smart, didn't push things. I moved recently and wish I could find the same here! I'm dealing with what you said - the "here, take this" approach and then an irked response if I want information on it. I mean, I had a doctor hand me a prescription for antibiotics without even asking me if I am allergic to any of them, which I am! All I could think was that some people might not think to ask about that and just trust the doctor was giving them the right thing. Our healthcare system is terrible that way. |
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| goobygirl
Joined: 12/31/09 Posts: 70 |
RE: hypothyroid and veganism Posted Friday, January 22, 2010 at 2:21 AM If taking thyroid at a certain time of day interferred with me being vegan, I would change the time, even if it meant changing it gradually. I appreciate the concern of taking the meds correctly, but i wouldnt let the time of day stop |
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| rb
Joined: 12/30/09 Posts: 85 |
RE: hypothyroid and veganism Posted Sunday, January 24, 2010 at 3:57 PM You can change the time, eat with the meds, etc, without noticing much of a difference. Same as people who are non-vegan don't feel like it is affecting them negatively. It doesn't mean things are not going on internally! The medicine not being fully absorbed. Just because you weren't told that doesn't mean it's not happening. Over time, that can contribute to increasing your meds, when in reality you are taking enough - but diluting their effectiveness by eating with them or taking certain foods with them. See below from a website about Synthoid (Levothyroxine): Certain medicines may decrease absorption of this drug into your bloodstream. Therefore, take levothyroxine 4 hours apart from: calcium supplements, iron supplements, aluminum, calcium or magnesium antacids, simethicone, cholestyramine, colestipol, sucralfate, sodium polystyrene sulfonate. Certain foods may decrease absorption of this medication when taken at the same time. Take levothyroxine separately from: soybean flour (soybean infant formula), walnuts, dietary fiber.
We need to think about what goes into our body besides food choices! Researching what drugs we are taking is just as important. |
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| goobygirl
Joined: 12/31/09 Posts: 70 |
RE: hypothyroid and veganism Posted Sunday, January 24, 2010 at 4:35 PM I have extensively researched thyroid issues, including works by dr lowe, and helped my doctor diagnose me with thyroid resistance. In fact, when i brought him the medical manual by dr lowe, he told me that he had been waiting for info like that all his life! I have been able to reduce my thyroid meds significantly. I only take T3(cytomel) as this converts better inthe body. So while i havent looked up rhe foid limitations ypu mentioned, it could be they dont apply to T3. I reduced my dosage from 400mcg to 100 following a medical protocol that reduces inflammation by helping the body to eliminate biofilms and cell wall deficient bacteria. Blood tests for thyroid levels are useless when the thyroid receptors are being blocked or inhibited by bacteria. Most endocrinologists are ignorant about this interaction. I even had one doctor tell me to split my dose and take it twice daily, contrary to what is necessary for thryroid resistant people, and it promptly put me in bed! So while some of these generalizations may apply to t4 meds and for people who are not thyroid resistant, I prefer to follow what works for me and I have been taking my meds on an empty stomach in the middle of the night so i have no worries re interactions. |
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| goobygirl
Joined: 12/31/09 Posts: 70 |
RE: hypothyroid and veganism Posted Sunday, January 24, 2010 at 4:36 PM I have extensively researched thyroid issues, including works by dr lowe, and helped my doctor diagnose me with thyroid resistance. In fact, when i brought him the medical manual by dr lowe, he told me that he had been waiting for info like that all his life! I have been able to reduce my thyroid meds significantly. I only take T3(cytomel) as this converts better inthe body. So while i havent looked up the food limitations ypu mentioned, it could be they dont apply to T3. I reduced my dosage from 400mcg to 100 following a medical protocol that reduces inflammation by helping the body to eliminate biofilms and cell wall deficient bacteria. Blood tests for thyroid levels are useless when the thyroid receptors are being blocked or inhibited by bacteria. Most endocrinologists are ignorant about this interaction. I even had one doctor tell me to split my dose and take it twice daily, contrary to what is necessary for thryroid resistant people, and it promptly put me in bed! So while some of these generalizations may apply to t4 meds and for people who are not thyroid resistant, I prefer to follow what works for me and I have been taking my meds on an empty stomach in the middle of the night so i have no worries re interactions. |
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| rb
Joined: 12/30/09 Posts: 85 |
RE: hypothyroid and veganism Posted Monday, January 25, 2010 at 12:08 AM I was responding to your saying you never heard of it and was feeling fine, which implied it might not be true. Yes, I was referring to Synthroid. I take both that and Cytomel - you are the first person I have "met" in 5 years who takes Cytomel! Everyone else I know just takes Synthroid and has not even heard of Cytomel. Cytomel is on a 24-hour cycle so I was always told to be very careful about taking it at the same time to get its complete effects. |
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