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| marge
Joined: 09/08/10 Location: Seattle Posts: 211 |
DASH diet Posted Tuesday, April 19, 2011 at 4:46 PM finally got the book the DASH diet & it's seems very reasonable. I understand why the meat & fish, because they're not vegan, but why all the dairy? does anyone know? |
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mollyhorn
 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 582 |
RE: DASH diet Posted Tuesday, April 19, 2011 at 5:06 PM I think it's because most doctors think that the average person would have a very hard time giving up all "comfort foods," and they lump dairy into that category. By including dairy in the diet, they ensure a higher participation in the program, even if the diet is less healthy [than a pure vegan diet would be]. Also, the dairy industry markets itself heavily as a "healthy" alternative protein, even though the science doesn't back it up. They've swept countless study results under the rug and paid off various associations (American Dietetic Association, for one), through generous sponsorships, to act as talking heads for them as a "health food." Dairy is nothing more than fat and pus in a glass. Molly Horn |
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| marge
Joined: 09/08/10 Location: Seattle Posts: 211 |
RE: DASH diet Posted Tuesday, April 19, 2011 at 6:07 PM Molly, it was actually very scientific. They behaved as if low fat dairy, (& they were very serious that it had to be low fat, skim milk & yogurt), would lower your blood pressure. The rest of it is pretty sound, whole grains, more veggies, more fruit, low fat. |
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| mollyhorn
Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 582 |
RE: DASH diet Posted Tuesday, April 19, 2011 at 6:49 PM Ah, good point. In that case, I'm not sure. Dean Ornish is in the same camp, and I never was quite sure of his reasoning, either. Perhaps Susan or Lani can clarify for us. Or Deb R., whom I think has some experience with this diet...? Molly Horn |
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| cbboulder
Joined: 04/06/11 Posts: 4 |
RE: DASH diet Posted Tuesday, April 19, 2011 at 7:46 PM i agree with Molly's first comment: that people will be less likely to follow a diet if it is significantly different than what they eat currently. And, if you can follow the diet and still have lowfat dairy, you are better off than not following the diet. the dairy association also funds quite a lot of research, so they won't like seeing their consumption decrease. |
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| cbboulder
Joined: 04/06/11 Posts: 4 |
RE: DASH diet Posted Tuesday, April 19, 2011 at 7:46 PM i agree with Molly's first comment: that people will be less likely to follow a diet if it is significantly different than what they eat currently. And, if you can follow the diet and still have lowfat dairy, you are better off than not following the diet. the dairy association also funds quite a lot of research, so they won't like seeing their consumption decrease. |
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| Susan Levin
Joined: 12/26/09 Posts: 1191 |
RE: DASH diet Posted Tuesday, April 19, 2011 at 9:13 PM There are many reasons not to consume dairy. I think the DASH diet is good, moving in the right direction, and should be honored for giving other researchers the idea that vegetarian and vegan diets must work wonders for hypertension (and then proving that to be true). But, if you want to review a list of concerns with dairy, here is a useful link: http://www.pcrm.org/health/veginfo/dairy.html Susan Levin, MS, RD |
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| marge
Joined: 09/08/10 Location: Seattle Posts: 211 |
RE: DASH diet Posted Tuesday, April 19, 2011 at 10:38 PM Susan, I think dairy is murder, but I'm curious as to why they thought it was good. It's an old study 12 years now. Leaving out the dairy, & dead meat, I think it's stiil has it's merits. |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2069 |
RE: DASH diet Posted Wednesday, April 20, 2011 at 7:37 AM mollyhorn wrote: Ah, good point. In that case, I'm not sure. Dean Ornish is in the same camp, and I never was quite sure of his reasoning, either. Perhaps Susan or Lani can clarify for us. Or Deb R., whom I think has some experience with this diet...? That's what started us on the road to here actually. I think (and this is just my guess - it's been a while) is the potassium level. For folks who aren't eating lots of fruits and veggies (which is most of the SAD folks who'd be doing DASH), low fat dairy adds potassium while being low in sodium. A 2 to 1 or 3 to 1 ratio of potassium to sodium is one of the keys to moderating hypertension. In thinking back, it's almost in the category of a "transition" food, like Boca burgers or what-have-you. Not great but better than beef - as someone who has BTDT it can be easier to adjust to having low fat dairy as a substitute for meat than to jump all the way from full on meat every day to no animal at all. Yes, I know that's exactly what kickstart does. But, just from browsing the threads over these last few kickstarts, it seems like a lot of people who transition the most comfortably (if that's the right term) are folks who've previously been vegetarian, who didn't or couldn't consume dairy, etc. Basically, people who were already heading down the path. And that's where DASH put us. Reading the DASH book is actually what led us to make one of our first big changes - almond milk instead of dairy milk (even though we continued with yogurt and cheeses). --Deb R |
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| Laurabeth
Joined: 04/05/11 Location: Michigan Posts: 59 |
RE: DASH diet Posted Wednesday, April 20, 2011 at 8:14 AM Susan Levin wrote: There are many reasons not to consume dairy. I think the DASH diet is good, moving in the right direction, and should be honored for giving other researchers the idea that vegetarian and vegan diets must work wonders for hypertension (and then proving that to be true). But, if you want to review a list of concerns with dairy, here is a useful link: Speaking of vegan and hypertension, my husbands' recent reading is the lowest it's ever been...127/75. We've only been vegan for about 6 weeks but even with medication he's never seen a number that low. It'll be interesting to see his cholesterol numbers. |
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cch22
 Location: New York State Posts: 999 |
RE: DASH diet Posted Wednesday, April 20, 2011 at 10:17 AM i posted the dairy page to Facebook.. wouldn't it be nice if PCRM just had a button to hit on all their pages that would do it directly?? It is getting to be old technology.. time to catch up! |
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| marge
Joined: 09/08/10 Location: Seattle Posts: 211 |
RE: DASH diet Posted Wednesday, April 20, 2011 at 10:41 AM Deb thanks for your explanation about low fat dairy and potassium. I wondered why they thought it was crucial. You know from my previous posts, the elimination of dairy alleviated my arthritis inflammation, so I am certainly no proponent of dairy. |
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| 3dogsdeb
Joined: 04/04/11 Posts: 28 |
RE: DASH diet Posted Wednesday, April 20, 2011 at 10:59 AM I noticed that my blood pressure readings are lower too lately. I am on a low does of Benicar and now wondering when I should go have my doctor check to see if I can get off soon? I believe I am on the lowest dose. I also seem to feel kind of sluggish lately and not sure if it's just toxins releasing or perhaps time to visit the doctor. I also notice when I am running (ok maybe slow jog at 223 lbs!) that my heart rate does not seem to go up which makes it hard to keep up the running without walking. I started this vegan lifestyle on March 15th so it's been only 5 weeks. Wow, for some reason I thought it's been more like 6 weeks or more which makes me feel better about my 10 lb weight loss! |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2069 |
RE: DASH diet Posted Wednesday, April 20, 2011 at 12:42 PM I just did a quick look over lunchtime and both calcium and potassium (in addition to sodium and magnesium) are important in regulating blood pressure. So, for the majority of folks in the US (and other western countries probably), when you think 'calcium' you think 'dairy' - thus the inclusion of low fat dairy in the DASH plan. --Deb R |
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