AmandaMR
Joined: 09/16/11
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Discouraged
Posted Friday, September 16, 2011 at 1:07 AM
After recently watching the documentary forks over knives on netflix, I decided to go vegan for both weight and health issues. My previous habits consisted of a lot of steak, a lot of cheese, and a lot of junk. I thought the switch to vegan would be hard but surprisingly it has been very easy. The food has been great. I have found substitues for things I never thought I could live without. Unfortunately, I expected I would be loosing weight, but it almost seems like I am gaining weight. This dumbfounds me. No I am not eating 100% frsh food...I still have my veggie burgers, veggie cheese, and veggienase. These things have helped make the transition a lot easier for me. But even with those processed foods, I thought my diet has improved 100% from the porterhouses, cheetos, and buttery grilled cheeses. So why am I not loosing any weight? It has been two weeks. Should I make even more drastic changes and ditch the substitues I've been eatin? Also I've taken a real liking to tempeh and have been eating it almost every night but I just read in another forum that it is full of fat and calories. This makes me sad =( I have noticed improvements in my skin and energy level but I was really hoping to see some weight come off. I'm really not sure what my expectations should be.
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kiwi
Joined: 01/03/11
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 405
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RE: Discouraged
Posted Friday, September 16, 2011 at 3:21 AM
Hi Amanda, Congratulations on becoming vegan. Already you can see some health benefits if your skin is clearer and you have more energy. Two weeks is not long so give yourself and your body some time to adjust. Im no expert but I do think all the substitute produts may be having an effect on keeping the weight depending on how much you are eating but it may not be the only thing. For me being vegan has become a life style change, not a weight loss diet in and of itself. I found it very discouraging doing my first kickstart in January 2011 when others were posting their weekly weight loss and mine was going nowhere. However I finally decided that becoming vegan was enough of a challenge at that time - particularly giving up cheese and learning to read food labels with a lot more scrutiny. Since then and one step at a time I have cut way back on the vegan meat/cheese substitute products and eat these one meal a week at the most. Not just because of the calories but they are often high in salt = fluid retention. To learn more I have read Dr McDougalls books (The McDougall program and The McDougall Program for maximum weight loss) and Dr Caldwell Esselstyn. From these I am now cooking without fats/oils and not adding oils to recipes as they convinced me as to why this is a good idea. I personally need to have a good rationale or I dont stick with the changes I made. I have lost 9 lbs since following the McDougall program between kickstarts and recommend his Maximum weight loss book if losing weight is your main goal. Otherwise the Mcdougall program book is a good read and complimentary to the kickstart and Dr Barnard's books and advice. I know I could have lost more weight but every now and again I have binges on vegan choc chip cookies or buy a vegan choc bar. I am also not good at portion control and have only recently starting getting serious about regular exercise. Regardless of what foods we choose to eat, vegan or not, for weight loss to occur the energy in (food we eat in calories) has to be less than the energy out (what we use in exercise etc). Sorry to ramble but hopefully there is something in my story that helps. There has been no overnight miracle for me but overall my health has improved and I believe further weight loss will come as I improve my diet day by day. I have also learned not to beat myself up if I do have an 'unhealthy' high fat vegan meal every now and again and try to be better the next time.
Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food - Hippocrates.
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JamieR
Joined: 01/01/10
Location: Mendocino Coast, Northern California
Posts: 116
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RE: Discouraged
Posted Friday, September 16, 2011 at 3:34 AM
My thought is that if you are using a lot of substitutes, perhaps your diet isn't terribly low fat. Low-fat vegan will make a bigger difference for weight loss than just vegan. Concentrate on lots of fresh fruits and vegetables, beans, and whole grains. Try to go as close to "natural" as possible. Only use your vegan subs if you REALLY have a need to. I suggest exploring Susan V's blog (I believe it blog.fatfreevegan.com) and the Happy Herbivore website. Both have TONS of tasty, no-fat/low-fat vegan recipes that will NOT leave you wanting higher fat vegan products. I can't tell you how much I've enjoyed their recipes: very delicious with no added fat. You don't feel like you are "depriving" yourself when you eat those kinds of tasty recipes.
September Kickstart Goals: Walk/bike daily, keep up with forum, 100% low-fat vegan experimenting with maximizing FLAVOR!
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rlswie
Joined: 09/05/11
Posts: 8
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RE: Discouraged
Posted Friday, September 16, 2011 at 6:34 AM
RE: DISCOURAGED I started the Kickstart also with hopes of dropping weight. I have lost 2-3 pounds. I love the grains. I need to exercise more. But, when I went in for a doctor visit this week, I have found that my BP is lower than ever and my cholesterolis down 13 points from March. This shows me the diet is working. I am encouraged. Hang in there!
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Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10
Posts: 2070
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RE: Discouraged
Posted Friday, September 16, 2011 at 8:35 AM
AmandaMR wrote: After recently watching the documentary forks over knives on netflix, I decided to go vegan for both weight and health issues. My previous habits consisted of a lot of steak, a lot of cheese, and a lot of junk. I thought the switch to vegan would be hard but surprisingly it has been very easy. The food has been great. I have found substitues for things I never thought I could live without. Unfortunately, I expected I would be loosing weight, but it almost seems like I am gaining weight. This dumbfounds me. No I am not eating 100% frsh food...I still have my veggie burgers, veggie cheese, and veggienase. These things have helped make the transition a lot easier for me. But even with those processed foods, I thought my diet has improved 100% from the porterhouses, cheetos, and buttery grilled cheeses. So why am I not loosing any weight? It has been two weeks. Should I make even more drastic changes and ditch the substitues I've been eatin? Also I've taken a real liking to tempeh and have been eating it almost every night but I just read in another forum that it is full of fat and calories. This makes me sad =( I have noticed improvements in my skin and energy level but I was really hoping to see some weight come off. I'm really not sure what my expectations should be. Calories are still calories. So, if you're eating 500 calories of veg cheese instead of 500 calories of dairy cheese, that's still 500 calories. Better calories in some ways but still the bottom line is that if you haven't changed what is going in OR changed what is going out (that is, move more, expend more energy), weight isn't going to change. As someone else noted, the sodium content on many of those 'transition foods' can lead to water retention. Have you tried any of the fresh veggie, fruit, whole grain, beans/legumes meals on the kickstart at all? Maybe spend the next week of the kickstart (two weeks down, one to go - you've already made it this far!) reducing the transition foods to once a day instead of multiple meals/servings per day. Maybe it's time, now that you've tried some things, to change the focus from finding new ways to keep old habits (burgers, cheese, low-nutrition snacks) to exploring new habits (fruits, veggies, whole grains, legumes). It is totally possible to be a "junk food vegan" and be almost as unhealthy as a "junk food omnivore". On another note, it sometimes takes two full weeks on the kickstart to switch over your metabolism and the weight doesn't move until into the third week (that seems to be a trend I've seen on previous kickstarts as well). --Deb R
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WhisperCat1
Joined: 09/01/11
Posts: 32
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RE: Discouraged
Posted Friday, September 16, 2011 at 9:44 AM
So with regard to the sodium and fluid retention... what fruits or vegetables are considered diueretic?
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Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10
Posts: 2070
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RE: Discouraged
Posted Friday, September 16, 2011 at 9:51 AM
WhisperCat1 wrote: So with regard to the sodium and fluid retention... what fruits or vegetables are considered diueretic? The best diuretic is water...sounds counter intuitive but if you are getting LOTS of water, your body is more inclined to let go of it than to hold onto it. Second best thing is to cut the sodium intake (if it is suspected to be a culprit in the situation). Third choice is to seek ways to force the water out (diuretics). Things like grapefruit are known to have diuretic properties BUT grapefruit (particularly) can have serious interaction problems with many types of medication. That's why it's much better to focus on reducing sodium and increasing plain old water than to look for ways to force the water out. --Deb R
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WhisperCat1
Joined: 09/01/11
Posts: 32
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RE: Discouraged
Posted Friday, September 16, 2011 at 9:56 AM
Thanks! Water it is 
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Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10
Posts: 2070
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RE: Discouraged
Posted Friday, September 16, 2011 at 9:57 AM
WhisperCat1 wrote: Thanks! Water it is  yeah, it's readily available and cheap  --Deb R
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Wild4Stars
Joined: 12/27/09
Location: Florida
Posts: 832
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RE: Discouraged
Posted Friday, September 16, 2011 at 5:52 PM
Seriously focus on your health. Eat HEALTHY! "Dieting" never has been and never will be the way to healthy weight loss. You can eat vegan and still not eat healthy. Potato chips and french fries can be vegan - but we all know they are not healthy. Focus on your health, let weight loss be a bonus. It may take longer, but you are creating a lifestyle, not a one time "weight loss" event.
Vikki ~ Wild4Stars@gmail.com
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lisasays
Joined: 09/07/11
Posts: 39
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RE: Discouraged
Posted Friday, September 16, 2011 at 5:53 PM
I gained weight the first time I went vegan. Too much daiya, chips, chocolate. This time I've been steadily losing Low-fat is key!
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Nyssa23
Joined: 04/03/11
Location: Athens, Ohio
Posts: 35
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RE: Discouraged
Posted Friday, September 16, 2011 at 6:31 PM
I haven't seen a topic this time around with the focus of being an overweight vegan (if there is one, maybe I just missed it), but if you look in the archives section, you'll see that you're not alone in not losing weight. I have been a vegetarian for about 17 years, and I've been mostly vegan for over a year. Since becoming mostly vegan I have lost only about 7 pounds, and most of that was in the past few weeks. To reach my ideal weight, I have about 65 pounds to go. That's as much as my son weighs total! It's good to remember that it takes a while to put on all those pounds, and it (usually) takes even longer to drop them off again. Good luck. And I (along with many others) am right there with you.
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sparkledee
Joined: 09/04/11
Posts: 48
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RE: Discouraged
Posted Friday, September 16, 2011 at 9:41 PM
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I have been a vegetarian for about 17 years, and I've been mostly vegan for over a year. Since becoming mostly vegan I have lost only about 7 pounds, and most of that was in the past few weeks. To reach my ideal weight, I have about 65 pounds to go. Nyssa, I'm curious as to whether or not your cholesterol, triglycerides, etc is normal being vegetarian all those years and now vegan for the past year, even though you have weight to lose. Has your vegetarian and vegan lifestyle kept those numbers in the healthy range regardless of weight? Do you have diabetes? I'm only asking because I hope I have alot to look forward to with lowering my numbers since starting this way of eating as I too have alot to lose. Thanks for any input!
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Nyssa23
Joined: 04/03/11
Location: Athens, Ohio
Posts: 35
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RE: Discouraged
Posted Saturday, September 17, 2011 at 9:26 AM
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I'm curious as to whether or not your cholesterol, triglycerides, etc is normal being vegetarian all those years and now vegan for the past year, even though you have weight to lose. Has your vegetarian and vegan lifestyle kept those numbers in the healthy range regardless of weight? Do you have diabetes? Yes! My cholesterol, blood pressure, and all my yearly blood work comes out perfectly on target or lower. I had a visit to the ER several months ago for being dizzy and having some numbness in my extremities, so I was worried about diabetes. They said that my sugar was fine, and I was just dehydrated. But my doctor was going over my paperwork a couple of months after that and thought the sugar looked a little high (I hadn't been fasting as when they usually test it. But she said that shouldn't matter.) She had me do a two hour glucose test just to be sure. When I visited her afterword, she said that all my numbers were extremely low and there is no chance of diabetes. And she was surprised how much it had gone down since the emergency room visit because that was the test that shows how your body processes sugar over a three month period. So, yes, even though I eat way too much plant-based fats and sugars, I have no problem with cholesterol, blood pressure, or diabetes. I hope you find the same results.
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veg4life
Joined: 09/05/11
Posts: 34
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RE: Discouraged
Posted Saturday, September 17, 2011 at 3:43 PM
As others have said, if you want to lose weight, focus on the whole foods, not processed vegan foods. For me after I started to follow Dr. Fuhrman's Eat to Live lifestyle, the weight dropped off easily because I was eating so many green vegetables. Before that I ate way too many processed starches (bread, pasta, cereal) to lose weight. Now I enjoy a big bowl of salad far more than any sandwich or pasta dish so it is not about deprivation. Your taste buds will change to enjoy healthy food.
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