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| beckyh
Joined: 02/24/10 Posts: 4 |
so yesterday I saw a dietitian Posted Friday, September 16, 2011 at 10:12 AM It's part of this (really truly wonderful) program done by a running store here in Austin, called ATX 100 - they want to help a group of us lose 100 pounds. So there's the group support, knowledgable coaches for the exercise portion, and various experts - a massage & accupuncturist, a life coach, they're looking for an orthopedist... but I digress. There's also discounts at a ready-made food place, and visits with dietitians. And yesterday I went for my hour. What the eff are they teaching in college courses these days (she has her degree in nutrition)???? She was stunned that I'm veg - yes, there are large people who are veg, repeatedly asked how committed I am to being veg, and tried to convince me that "many" vegetarians take fish oil supplements - and that they're vegetarian. Oh -- and it is complicated to get enough protein as a veg person. Sigh. So, ironically, that visit has re-resolved me to be vegan. I felt like I was giving her anti-veg-ness an "in" when I said I eat dairy. So what's in my fridge now is the last cheese I'll eat. Kinda late in this round of kickstart to really start, but better late than never, right? |
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| carrottop
Joined: 09/21/10 Posts: 36 |
RE: so yesterday I saw a dietitian Posted Friday, September 16, 2011 at 10:43 AM Good for you! It's never too late to start taking care of your health. That program sounds amazing and I'd take advantage of every other resource they offer. |
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mollyhorn
 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 582 |
RE: so yesterday I saw a dietitian Posted Friday, September 16, 2011 at 10:47 AM I'm so glad you brought this up! I too had a terrible experience with a dietitian back in 2008. She was trying to help treat my reactive hypoglycemia, but her prescription involved more meat, dairy, and empty white-flour carbs. It was insane! (And we wonder why diabetes is on the rise...) It is really a shame that these trained professionals, who go through many years of schooling, do not have a better handle on what REAL nutrition is. I wish I could make all of them read The China Study. That said, there are a few good ones out there. Susan is a shining example of what the profession could be if they would just get on board. But people with an open mind and training like hers are few and far between. Molly Horn |
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vegankitty
 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 109 |
RE: so yesterday I saw a dietitian Posted Friday, September 16, 2011 at 10:52 AM Well said Molly! It is easy to be mankind, |
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sis11
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RE: so yesterday I saw a dietitian Posted Friday, September 16, 2011 at 1:35 PM Very well said, and good for you for listening to the real nutritional experts who are working from contemporary research instead of folkloric tradition (Neal Barnard, T. Colin Campbell, Rip Esselstyn etc). As for Omega 3s, in addition to eating ground flax seeds in my morning oats-plant milk-fruit combo, and sometimes walnuts, I also take a couple of Deva Vegan Omega-3 pills (comes from algae, which is where the fish get it, and likely to be a lot less toxic than fish oil) and also a Deva "Vegan Multivitamin & Mineral" supplement. I get both of them online. I know some people don't hold with vitamins, and I'd just as soon not take twenty or so a day (unlike my mother, who starts every day in front of a whole array of little dishes of pills), but it seems like a good way of ensuring enough B-12, vitamin D from plant sources, iron, etc. Sarah |
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Wild4Stars
 Location: Florida Posts: 832 |
RE: so yesterday I saw a dietitian Posted Friday, September 16, 2011 at 3:03 PM Even worse are the personal trainers at the local gyms who think they know nutrition. One told a good friend of mine that she needed to eat a gram of protein for every pound of body weight each day. At the time she weighed about 220 pounds. And she was suppose to lose weight eating that amount of food? Of course she believed him and thought I was wrong! Especially since he convinced her she couldn't get enough protein without eating meat. No kidding - not if you're trying to get 6 or 7 times more than you need !! That was almost 2 years ago and she still weighs the same. Vikki ~ Wild4Stars@gmail.com |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: so yesterday I saw a dietitian Posted Friday, September 16, 2011 at 3:08 PM Wild4Stars wrote: Even worse are the personal trainers at the local gyms who think they know nutrition. One told a good friend of mine that she needed to eat a gram of protein for every pound of body weight each day. At the time she weighed about 220 pounds. And she was suppose to lose weight eating that amount of food? Of course she believed him and thought I was wrong! Especially since he convinced her she couldn't get enough protein without eating meat. No kidding - not if you're trying to get 6 or 7 times more than you need !! That was almost 2 years ago and she still weighs the same. I suppose if you're a body builder or triathlete, you would need LOTS of protein but the average person at the gym, not so much. The RDA for the average person is about 1/3 of your body weight = grams of protein, and even that is the high end of the range. Way back when (around the first kickstart I did last year), I actually tracked how much protein I ate in a given day and averaged it over a two week span. Wouldn't you know it, it came in right around what the calculation said, without any meat! --Deb R |
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| lisasays
Joined: 09/07/11 Posts: 39 |
RE: so yesterday I saw a dietitian Posted Friday, September 16, 2011 at 4:45 PM My sil is hypoglycemic and went to a nutritionist at UofM who had her eating white bread and crackers with whole fat cheese and told her that white flour was really the same as whole grain! |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: so yesterday I saw a dietitian Posted Friday, September 16, 2011 at 4:50 PM lisasays wrote: My sil is hypoglycemic and went to a nutritionist at UofM who had her eating white bread and crackers with whole fat cheese and told her that white flour was really the same as whole grain! I really dont understand that?! I can comprehend the whole fat cheese and crackers, but at least make it whole grain crackers! I had a roomie for several years who is hypoglycemic - that was the beginning of my 'schooling' in nutrition and label reading. We always had whole grain crackers and some form of protein (often nut butter) on hand and in portable form as well so she could have something handy if needed. She'd snack mid morning and mid afternoon on fruit, nut butter, whole grains and veggies. Breakfast for her was often (especially in winter) cooked millet with a bit of honey. --Deb R |
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| veganer
Joined: 01/04/11 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 196 |
RE: so yesterday I saw a dietitian Posted Friday, September 16, 2011 at 5:31 PM Dieticians may be receiving their training from schools which follow the medical model so they are just following suit. Perhaps they as a profession (the professors) are afraid to do something different than doctors are doing. And maybe their funding comes from pharmaceutical companies or hospitals. I think they mean well and care about people, just doing what they are trained. It is disappointing that they can't think for themselves and don't challenge their own profession. I believe many dieticians believe that eating vegan is extreme. I know its not but that's what they think. What can you say to them to get them to open their eyes? Maybe actions will speak louder than words as more and more people have improved health due to eating vegan. |
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| Wild4Stars
Location: Florida Posts: 832 |
RE: so yesterday I saw a dietitian Posted Friday, September 16, 2011 at 5:38 PM My mother was a dietician before she retired. When I went vegetarian in 2000 she nearly had a stroke. I was going to shrivel and die without meat and dairy. She drank a gallon of milk a day, was morbidly obese, diabetic, had high blood pressure, high cholesterol, congestive heart failure and died at age 72 with a long list of medical problems. If she did what she was taught somebody needs to be teaching something different!! Vikki ~ Wild4Stars@gmail.com |
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| kiwi
Joined: 01/03/11 Location: New Zealand Posts: 405 |
RE: so yesterday I saw a dietitian Posted Saturday, September 17, 2011 at 9:35 PM An interesitng topic. Not being a dietitian myself I am not sure what they learn in college but I have worked alongside many hospital dietitians who appear equally clueless about vegetarian and vegan diets and prescribe all sorts of 'rubbish' to their clients although with the best of intentions. They really believe they are prescribing the best diet for that person and just dont seem to know any better. That being said there are equally a number of great dietitions who are very well informed. I suspect that these great dietitians have had an interest over and above their basic training in college and have gone and found out the information for themselves. Kind of like doctors have no or very little nutrirional trianing in medical school. I was told by one doctor that he got one lecture on nutrition throughout his entire training. Good doctors such as Dr Barnard and others have taken their own learning well beyond what they learned in medical school and are now passing it on to us. Its about finding the doctor or dietitian who has the information or who is willing to learn about it to support the patient Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food - Hippocrates. |
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| tinabean
Joined: 09/08/10 Location: Pasadena, TX Posts: 113 |
RE: so yesterday I saw a dietitian Posted Monday, September 19, 2011 at 12:57 PM I must have been one of the lucky patients! About a year or so after I went lacto-ovo-vegetarian (1990 or 1991), my mom declared that she was going to have me tested and if I had any vitamin deficiencies I would have to start eating meat again. (This is Texas and I weighed all of 91#). The only thing that came back was that I was severely hypoglycemic (I fainted during the bloodwork and during the follow-up glucose testing). I could see that she was a little disappointed when the dietitian told her that I did not have to start eating meat. She did advise me to opt for higher-fiber foods and to balance out my carb and protein intake at meals. Since I was underweight she said I should worry too much about my fat consumption and she had me eating 3 small meals a day and 3 large ones. I was stuffed and miserable all the time, but at no point did she really push animal products on me (of course, I wasn't vegan, though). |
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| Dobby
Joined: 09/04/10 Posts: 113 |
RE: so yesterday I saw a dietitian Posted Monday, September 19, 2011 at 1:19 PM beckyh wrote: It's part of this (really truly wonderful) program done by a running store here in Austin, called ATX 100 - they want to help a group of us lose 100 pounds. So there's the group support, knowledgable coaches for the exercise portion, and various experts - a massage & accupuncturist, a life coach, they're looking for an orthopedist... but I digress. There's also discounts at a ready-made food place, and visits with dietitians. And yesterday I went for my hour. What the eff are they teaching in college courses these days (she has her degree in nutrition)???? She was stunned that I'm veg - yes, there are large people who are veg, repeatedly asked how committed I am to being veg, and tried to convince me that "many" vegetarians take fish oil supplements - and that they're vegetarian. Oh -- and it is complicated to get enough protein as a veg person. Sigh. So, ironically, that visit has re-resolved me to be vegan. I felt like I was giving her anti-veg-ness an "in" when I said I eat dairy. So what's in my fridge now is the last cheese I'll eat. Kinda late in this round of kickstart to really start, but better late than never, right? Wow if you live in Austin, that's where *Engine 2* is! Their website is always listing interesting vegan related things going on in Austin and at, I believe, the Whole Foods Market there. I think they are having an immersion weekend next weekend. I would love to go! Pam |
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