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| Johanna
Joined: 12/30/10 Location: Netherlands Posts: 3 |
quit Posted Monday, January 10, 2011 at 11:39 PM I quit. I can't eat in this way. Sorry. Vegetarian is enough. Greetings Hanneke |
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| fairy
Joined: 01/04/11 Posts: 18 |
RE: quit Posted Tuesday, January 11, 2011 at 12:37 AM what is holding you back? he that takes medicine and neglects diet, wastes the skill of the physicion |
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| catbear
Joined: 01/04/11 Posts: 76 |
RE: quit Posted Tuesday, January 11, 2011 at 7:14 AM It gets easier. I remember when I first started a year and a half ago, there were meals I made that just made me want to cry! You just have to build a group of dishes that you enjoy by trial and error, then you have lots of things you love and it is easy. Maybe just gradually incorporating vegan dishes bit by bit into your normal diet would be better for you? |
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| Checochinican
Joined: 01/04/11 Posts: 148 |
RE: quit Posted Tuesday, January 11, 2011 at 8:58 AM Johanna wrote: I quit. I can't eat in this way. Sorry. Vegetarian is enough. Greetings Hanneke I didn't mind giving up eggs - rarely ate them. Dairy was/is another matter. I've been enjoying soy milk in various flavors, did find a vegan cheese that is hard to tell from dairy cheese. I am still eating yogurt once a day - fat-free, 16 grams of carbs, 5 grams of protein. Not sure it is hurting me, but I am watching it closely. In the short run, my meter tells me effects, but the long run is another matter. |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: quit Posted Tuesday, January 11, 2011 at 9:15 AM Checochinican wrote: Johanna wrote: I quit. I can't eat in this way. Sorry. Vegetarian is enough. Greetings Hanneke I didn't mind giving up eggs - rarely ate them. Dairy was/is another matter. I've been enjoying soy milk in various flavors, did find a vegan cheese that is hard to tell from dairy cheese. I am still eating yogurt once a day - fat-free, 16 grams of carbs, 5 grams of protein. Not sure it is hurting me, but I am watching it closely. In the short run, my meter tells me effects, but the long run is another matter. I can't eat eggs - does nasty things to my intestines (bleh) so that's no big deal. I was thrilled, though, when we found an eggless 'quiche' in the Veganomicon because I love quiche (but couldn't eat them, even before veg*n). It uses navy beans and corn starch to create the texture and we add spinach, or broccoli, or whatever to it. Chobani non fat greek style yogurt is the one thing that is hard to eliminate for me. I'm "allowing" myself one per day but I'm finding that I'm not always having it this kickstart (I did with the Sept kickstart). I find that if I go a little too low on fat (I tend to want a little fat in my diet when I'm out in the sub freezing shovelling snow), I'll want one. Soy yogurt doesn't work for me (large amounts of soy in general not good for me) and the coconut yogurt I tried was just way too cloying. I find that the Chobani doesn't spike my blood sugar - sometimes it actually helps to keep it under control (go figure). --Deb R |
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| DebDB
Joined: 01/03/11 Posts: 12 |
RE: quit Posted Tuesday, January 11, 2011 at 9:52 AM I'm so sorry to hear that! It really does get easier. Then I did it again last January, and it stuck. There are lots of great things to eat, tons of cookbooks and veganized recipes online, lots of substitutions for favorite recipes(Earth Balance butter, hazelnut soy creamer, Vegenaise, Morning Star chicken strips meal starters are my favorites). You do miss out on some things (baked goods at work, for example), but it gets easier to turn those things down. (The kickstart diet is pretty restrictive -- good for weight loss and health, but believe me, there's a lot more out there besides beans!) I only mean to give you support if you might be wavering. If you have made up your mind, don't feel bad. Be proud of what you are doing for yourself and the planet as a vegetarian. |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: quit Posted Tuesday, January 11, 2011 at 10:00 AM DebDB wrote: I was vegetarian for years, then tried the vegan kickstart about a year and a half ago (March). I lasted until LUNCH, when someone brought in a homemade cake and I just had to have a piece. I wasn't ready, and I hadn't done the research to prepare for the change. We were supposed to have dinner guests last night, so I wanted to have a dessert on hand but at the same time didn't want to go the non-vegan route either. We had vegan quiches (one spinach, one broccoli), tossed salad, and made a pumpkin streusel cake that was awesome! Recipe is in the Veganomicon and it is definitely outside the kickstart range in terms of low glycemic, low fat but if bringing cakes to work is a regular thing at the office, this could be something to bring in and share - tasty enough for non-vegans but still vegan. --Deb R |
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| soon2BVeg
Joined: 08/24/10 Posts: 225 |
RE: quit Posted Tuesday, January 11, 2011 at 10:07 AM I guess Johanna is gone, but I wish she had stuck around to let us know just what it was that she couldn't live with. Don't make a New Year's Resolution...make a Decision! |
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cch22
 Location: New York State Posts: 1000 |
RE: quit Posted Tuesday, January 11, 2011 at 10:41 AM hi.. on johanna's first post she said she would miss cheese and eggs.. also she is in another country .. maybe some of the things are not readily available to her? |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: quit Posted Tuesday, January 11, 2011 at 10:48 AM cch22 wrote: hi.. on johanna's first post she said she would miss cheese and eggs.. also she is in another country .. maybe some of the things are not readily available to her? cynthia That could be - there are some places where access to vegan options isn't there. Which always brings to mind that we're pretty fortunate to be able to eat a vegan diet in our western culture - there are some places where animals are the only ones who can digest the local flora safely/nutritiously (like ruminants who can process thistle and scrub brush and thrive because of their multi-stomach arrangement) and then the humans use the animal milk/meat to survive. --Deb R |
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| theodore
Joined: 09/16/10 Posts: 643 |
RE: quit Posted Tuesday, January 11, 2011 at 10:59 AM And let's not forget those situations where there aren't any vegetables or animals, and the people end up eating each other. Never make assumptions. You'll end up being an A**, and the UMP will TION you. -- Coach Smiley -- Fresh Prince of Bel Air |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: quit Posted Tuesday, January 11, 2011 at 11:04 AM theodore wrote: And let's not forget those situations where there aren't any vegetables or animals, and the people end up eating each other.  Yeah there's that too - but there aren't usually many people there. There are however many people groups living in rapidly-desertifying areas that rely on animals for just about everything because there's not enough water for agriculture/growing human-edible plants in quantity, just barely enough for small ruminants like goats to get by. --Deb R |
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| theodore
Joined: 09/16/10 Posts: 643 |
RE: quit Posted Tuesday, January 11, 2011 at 11:19 AM I don't think anyone would deny that desperate times call for desperate measures. That's really the point I was making. I certainly wouldn't base any of my moral or health principles on what people are doing in those situations. Desertification is a man-made problem that definitely needs to be tackled. From what I've read, the best solution is to plant carob / date / olive trees. Certainly, here in England there isn't a single grazing area that couldn't be better used for hazlenut production. Never make assumptions. You'll end up being an A**, and the UMP will TION you. -- Coach Smiley -- Fresh Prince of Bel Air |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: quit Posted Tuesday, January 11, 2011 at 11:22 AM theodore wrote: I don't think anyone would deny that desperate times call for desperate measures. That's really the point I was making. I certainly wouldn't base any of my moral or health principles on what people are doing in those situations. Desertification is a man-made problem that definitely needs to be tackled. From what I've read, the best solution is to plant carob / date / olive trees. Certainly, here in England there isn't a single grazing area that couldn't be better used for hazlenut production. I agree with you BUT there is the issue of what to do UNTIL those olive/date/whatever trees can produce a viable crop (which can be several years to start), the water necessary to nurture young seedlings (where demands are generally higher than mature plants), and so on. Add in the issues of transporting the produce to market in order to exchange them for other items (trade olives/oil for fruit for example), and it does get to be a big hairy problem. --Deb R |
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| Pam
Joined: 12/28/10 Posts: 50 |
RE: quit Posted Tuesday, January 11, 2011 at 11:40 AM I have only been vegan a couple times in my life, and both times it was a challenge for me because of cheese and eggs. But like DebBD says, after a while it just sticks, which it has for me this time. I am fine w/o dairy/eggs, because I have taught myself what to eat in their place that satifies. Plus after years of reading Dr. McD's newsletters & books, I have learned more and more about the dangers of eating animals products, which also helps me resist them. I think you have to be ready for this way of eating, based on knowledge, and a desire for health. |
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| theodore
Joined: 09/16/10 Posts: 643 |
RE: quit Posted Tuesday, January 11, 2011 at 11:50 AM . Never make assumptions. You'll end up being an A**, and the UMP will TION you. -- Coach Smiley -- Fresh Prince of Bel Air |
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2meowers
 Location: Sequim, WA Posts: 127 |
RE: quit Posted Tuesday, January 11, 2011 at 12:41 PM I wonder if the daily recipes had something to do with it? When I accepted a friend's challenge to simply go vegetarian for 30 days, I was already a big salad eater, mostly Costco chickens and of course, working in a Subway, the meats in sandwiches. Only milk was half 'n' half in the morning coffee (I'm bad I don't eat breakfast), but cheese with everything!! After 10 days, just went vegan. Gave salad dressings, cheese, my veggie burgers (contained milk/eggs), etc. to coworkers that were interested. Just added more nuts, grains, and tried new stuff like hummus and soy milk. First week was the hardest, but soon it just became normal. Lots of label reading and e-mails to companies about questionable ingredients. Even got a few free coupons from some! Was vegan for 7 mos. before I heard about Kickstart. I'm not much in the kitchen, and I only cook for one. The Kickstart recipes were very intimidating! I've never actually made one, just took bits and pieces and did my own thing. Here I am 17 mos. later, 55 lbs. lighter and feeling wonderful! As of last April, my "good" cholesterol rose 19 pts. and my "bad" dropped a whopping 97 pts! It was 92/64! Dr. was amazed since I'd only been vegan for 8 mos. at the time. I'm sure without the support of the group of 20 of us that took the challenge, I might not have made it. Certainly not if I tried this program and had to rely on the recipies! "But for the sake of some little mouthful of flesh we deprive a soul of the sun and light, and of that proportion of life and time it had been born into the world to enjoy." Plutarch. |
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| peasandrice
Joined: 12/29/10 Posts: 77 |
RE: quit Posted Tuesday, January 11, 2011 at 2:09 PM 2meowers wrote: I wonder if the daily recipes had something to do with it? When I accepted a friend's challenge to simply go vegetarian for 30 days, I was already a big salad eater, mostly Costco chickens and of course, working in a Subway, the meats in sandwiches. Only milk was half 'n' half in the morning coffee (I'm bad I don't eat breakfast), but cheese with everything!! After 10 days, just went vegan. Gave salad dressings, cheese, my veggie burgers (contained milk/eggs), etc. to coworkers that were interested. Just added more nuts, grains, and tried new stuff like hummus and soy milk. First week was the hardest, but soon it just became normal. Lots of label reading and e-mails to companies about questionable ingredients. Even got a few free coupons from some! Was vegan for 7 mos. before I heard about Kickstart. I'm not much in the kitchen, and I only cook for one. The Kickstart recipes were very intimidating! I've never actually made one, just took bits and pieces and did my own thing. Here I am 17 mos. later, 55 lbs. lighter and feeling wonderful! As of last April, my "good" cholesterol rose 19 pts. and my "bad" dropped a whopping 97 pts! It was 92/64! Dr. was amazed since I'd only been vegan for 8 mos. at the time. I'm sure without the support of the group of 20 of us that took the challenge, I might not have made it. Certainly not if I tried this program and had to rely on the recipies! They can be a little tricky for me as well, I haven't been able to find all the ingredients and have a hard time keeping all the fresh stuff fresh when I can only shop once a week. The initial start up cost was a bit high as well, just because I didn't have all the staples, spices, vinegars, blender, air popper, pans. Most people that start probably know how to cook more than me and have a better set up kitchen. Over all though I have found the whole thing fun and inspiring. I can actually feel my cooking skill leveling up! I am also learning how to pick fresh produce and stuff. I probably would have hated this diet when I was single, working and spent no time at home. Maybe Johanna will try again in the future if it becomes better suited to her circumstances. If not that's wonderful that she's staying vegetarian. |
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| 2meowers
Location: Sequim, WA Posts: 127 |
RE: quit Posted Tuesday, January 11, 2011 at 9:02 PM peasandrice wrote: They can be a little tricky for me as well, I haven't been able to find all the ingredients and have a hard time keeping all the fresh stuff fresh when I can only shop once a week. The initial start up cost was a bit high as well, just because I didn't have all the staples, spices, vinegars, blender, air popper, pans. Most people that start probably know how to cook more than me and have a better set up kitchen. Over all though I have found the whole thing fun and inspiring. I can actually feel my cooking skill leveling up! I am also learning how to pick fresh produce and stuff. I probably would have hated this diet when I was single, working and spent no time at home. Yeah, I didn't have a lot of the stuff like all the spices, vinegars, seitan, tempeh, etc. so that's probably why I don't try most recipes. I won a cookbook when I accepted a friend's challenge on another site (decided to go vegan, and other participants voted me the winner of the cookbook, generously donated by Peta!), but again most recipes all have so much stuff I lack, and all are for 4-8 servings. Use it as insiration. Just today received Leah Leneman's "Vegan Cooking For One" but haven't had a chance to look through it. Previewed a bit online, and am anxious to check it out. Not much of a snack after dinner person, but have been thinking about an air popper. Organic popcorn available in my bulk food section. I've certainly stepped up my knowledge - how to cook dried beans and grains and am also having fun discovering new things! Edamame is almost an addiction now along with tofu and Field Roast "sausages", along with almonds, walnuts, pistachios, and a great 4-grain organic rice mixture (get those at Costco)! (FieldRoast.com. Pricey at $6.99 for pkg.of 4 at my Safeway, but when on sale at $4.99 I stock up! Can be frozen for up to a year and 25-28 grams/protein per sausage.) While I only buy produce/fruit when I need it, I never buy two bunches of kale or more brussel sprouts, grean beans, pears, etc. than I can eat in 3-4 days. Found out the hard way that it will spoil before I can eat it all! Love discovery and better food knowledge! "But for the sake of some little mouthful of flesh we deprive a soul of the sun and light, and of that proportion of life and time it had been born into the world to enjoy." Plutarch. |
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| shancock
Joined: 01/03/11 Posts: 16 |
RE: quit Posted Tuesday, January 11, 2011 at 11:08 PM Aren't the recipes on the meal plan just to give us ideas anyway? I've made a bunch of the recipes, and they're fantastic, but I sure don't stick to the menu plan. My favourites so far: Hoppin' John Salad and the hummous made with roasted peppers (unbelievably good). I tried to eat the Dr. Fuhrman way in the the fall and fell off the wagon because you're not supposed to eat more than one half-cup servings of grains a day, and he frowns on prepared vegan food. Now, we're eating mainly homemade foods--soups, chilis, and stews and tofu scrambles, etc., but I'm also allowing myself to eat veggie burgers and faux chicken and fake beef products made by Yves, Gardein, and Veggie Patch. I also allow myself to eat a few servings of whole grains (PastaJoy has a fantastic brown rice pasta--one cup with veggie sauce keeps you full forever). I also find that Silver Hills Squirrelly Bread really fills me up. |
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