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| nyldyj
Joined: 04/21/11 Posts: 4 |
egg whites Posted Thursday, April 21, 2011 at 4:03 PM Egg whites What's really wrong with egg whites? How are they not healthy for me if they are from cage free no anti-biotic grain fed chickens? |
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| Susan Levin
Joined: 12/26/09 Posts: 1191 |
RE: egg whites Posted Thursday, April 21, 2011 at 4:17 PM Egg whites are a mighty high dose of pure protein, a nutrient that we simply don't need MORE of in the American diet. Animal protein in high quantities can be harmful to the kidneys and to the bones. Susan Levin, MS, RD |
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| nyldyj
Joined: 04/21/11 Posts: 4 |
RE: egg whites Posted Thursday, April 21, 2011 at 4:26 PM Right but if I don't eat meat or other animal products, are egg whites not a good fast source of protein for me? I'm not talking about the typical American diet My other proteins are beans, tofu and fake meat. |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: egg whites Posted Thursday, April 21, 2011 at 4:34 PM It depends. Sometimes it's not so much "How is this bad for me?" but rather "Is this the best choice for me?" Do you NEED more protein than you already get from beans, grains, etc? Rule of thumb is 50% of your body weight is the number of grams of protein an average healthy adult needs. It's totally possible to get all that is needed from plant sources (and if you look at some of the "guests" on the kickstart, there are athletes and others who have BIG protein needs who are fine with plant sources). Do you intend/want to be vegan or is vegetarian where you're more comfortable? Egg whites are not vegan no matter how they were produced. It's your choice from there --Deb R |
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| Susan Levin
Joined: 12/26/09 Posts: 1191 |
RE: egg whites Posted Thursday, April 21, 2011 at 4:38 PM Even vegans get way more protein than they actually need. Which is why I encourage vegans not to get swept up in the protein myth any more than anyone else - unnecessary sources such as soy powders, protein bars, etc., are more than a body needs. Still, research linking animal protein to various chronic diseases would include eggs. I would make my protein sources the most healthful ones possible, the ones that include protective nutrients such as fiber and lots of phytochemicals. Susan Levin, MS, RD |
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Wild4Stars
 Location: Florida Posts: 832 |
RE: egg whites Posted Thursday, April 21, 2011 at 8:59 PM What are you wanting to eat that includes egg whites? Egg whites have no flavor to speak of, so what makes you want to eat them? And is there a vegan substitute? When I first went vegan and my husband would cook eggs, they smelled so good! Now they don't. I don't know what happened. Maybe you are just trying to feed an addiction that will eventually go away. Vikki ~ Wild4Stars@gmail.com |
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dollgirl
 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 131 |
RE: egg whites Posted Thursday, April 21, 2011 at 10:49 PM I would say there is nothing wrong with them if you are not following a vegan diet. I think Susan answers the question perfectly. Too many people get caught up in the protein game.
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| nyldyj
Joined: 04/21/11 Posts: 4 |
RE: egg whites Posted Saturday, April 23, 2011 at 2:40 AM Thanks for all your feedback. I think I eat the whites because they are easy fast protein for me. I mix them with salsa and it makes my life easier in a rushed morning. I guess I don't enjoy my other protein sources in the am and when I don't eat protein in the am, I get a horrible hypoglycemic attack. All you all said was interesting though. |
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| kaiasgram
Joined: 04/03/11 Posts: 14 |
RE: egg whites Posted Saturday, April 23, 2011 at 5:08 AM Two egg whites have around 10 grams of protein, roughly the same amount of protein as a cup of cooked beans. Is the reason you describe egg whites as a high dose of protein because of their low calorie and/or fiber count (compared to the cup of cooked beans) relative to the protein content? On a related note, various PCRM articles recommend .36 grams protein per pound of body weight. So if I need to eat about 50g of protein each day, I'd have to eat a lot of cooked beans and grains in addition to the veggies, etc. in the vegan diet to reach 50g. One of my personal struggles with the vegan diet is the sheer volume of food I would have to consume in order to get adequate protein, especially if I don't include at least a little 'concentrated' protein like egg whites or even a vegan protein powder in my smoothie. |
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| Spingoddess
Joined: 04/06/11 Posts: 8 |
RE: egg whites Posted Saturday, April 23, 2011 at 9:37 AM I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that IMO there is nothing wrong with antibiotic-free egg whites in your diet if you are following the diet for health reasons. I find that a lot of medical advice is over-generalized. Since so many Americans are "all or nothing, in it to win it" types, the thought might be that if egg whites are allowed you (you in the general sense) will then start eating double cheeseburgers, because hey, animal product is animal product. A cup of beans or whatever purely vegan choice might arguably be a better choice than egg whites, but if you can't do it, and you will do the egg whites, then do the egg whites. |
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| nyldyj
Joined: 04/21/11 Posts: 4 |
RE: egg whites Posted Saturday, April 23, 2011 at 9:38 AM Yes. |
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| dollgirl
Location: Los Angeles Posts: 131 |
RE: egg whites Posted Saturday, April 23, 2011 at 3:07 PM @ nyldyj I see where you're coming from now that you've talked about the hassle free morning meals. I totally understand not wanting to make greens or have time for sitting down for grains. What I did in the beginning was make myself burritos for breakfast. I used beans, rice, & whatever else I had. You can include salsa too. One of the first burritos I made was made from leftover rice & a few black beans and a little Easy Bean Dip http://www.nutritionmd.org/recipes/view.html?recipe_id=886 It was quick, easy and gave me lots of energy.
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| theodore
Joined: 09/16/10 Posts: 641 |
RE: egg whites Posted Sunday, April 24, 2011 at 4:45 AM Here is T Colin Campbell on animal protein: I can understand why some of you may not want to consider that animal protein creates the same problems as excess fat intake, but it turns out that animal protein has many undesirable health effects. Whether it is the immune system, various enzyme systems, the uptake of carcinogens into the cells, or hormonal activities, animal protein generally only causes mischief. Best wishes Theodore Never make assumptions. You'll end up being an A**, and the UMP will TION you. -- Coach Smiley -- Fresh Prince of Bel Air |
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| Spingoddess
Joined: 04/06/11 Posts: 8 |
RE: egg whites Posted Sunday, April 24, 2011 at 9:39 AM This is a generalization I agree with, but it is a big generalization. To compare a hunk of beef or cheese to egg whites is really stretching, IMO. All I'm saying is that a perfectly valid question is asked here, and I haven't seen any answers specific to egg whites. theodore wrote: Here is T Colin Campbell on animal protein:
Quote: I can understand why some of you may not want to consider that animal protein creates the same problems as excess fat intake, but it turns out that animal protein has many undesirable health effects. Whether it is the immune system, various enzyme systems, the uptake of carcinogens into the cells, or hormonal activities, animal protein generally only causes mischief. Best wishes Theodore |
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| Wild4Stars
Location: Florida Posts: 832 |
RE: egg whites Posted Sunday, April 24, 2011 at 9:58 AM Copied and pasted from McDougall.com Too Much of a “Good Thing” – Protein A whole egg is 32% protein and the white of an egg is essentially 100% protein. Infants, growing children, and adults need, at most, 5% of their calories from protein. Therefore, eggs and egg products are 6 to 20 times more concentrated in protein than we need. Excess protein places burdens on our body, and especially on organs of metabolism, the liver and kidneys. Animal proteins, and particularly those from egg whites, are high in the troublesome, sulfur-containing amino acids, such as methionine.
1) Amino acids, as the name implies, are acids; the sulfur-containing amino acids are the strongest acids of all, because they break down into powerful sulfuric acid. Excess dietary acid is the primary cause of bone loss leading to osteoporosis and kidney stone formation.2 2) The sulfur-containing amino acid methionine is metabolized into homocysteine. This substance is a risk factor associated with heart attacks, strokes, peripheral vascular disease, venous thrombosis, dementia, Alzheimer’s disease, and depression.3 3) Sulfur feeds cancerous tumors. Cancer cell metabolism is dependent upon methionine being present in the diet; whereas normal cells can grow on a methionine-free diet (feeding off other sulfur-containing amino acids).4-8 4) Sulfur from sulfur-containing amino acids is known to be toxic to the tissues of the intestine, and to have deleterious effects on the human colon, even at low levels – possibly causing ulcerative colitis.9-11 5) Restriction of methionine in the diet has been shown to prolong the life of experimental animals.12-13 6) Halitosis, body odor, and noxious flatus – akin to the smell of rotten eggs – are direct results of the sulfur-containing amino acids we eat.14-15 The foul odors of sulfur gases should be a clear message that something is terribly wrong and deserves our immediate attention. http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2005nl/march/050300pueastereggs.htm Click the above link if you would like to read the whole article about eggs. Vikki ~ Wild4Stars@gmail.com |
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| Spingoddess
Joined: 04/06/11 Posts: 8 |
RE: egg whites Posted Sunday, April 24, 2011 at 10:21 AM Now that's what I'm talking about! Thanks Wild4. Wild4Stars wrote: Copied and pasted from McDougall.com
Too Much of a “Good Thing” – Protein
Click the above link if you would like to read the whole article about eggs. |
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| kaiasgram
Joined: 04/03/11 Posts: 14 |
RE: egg whites Posted Monday, April 25, 2011 at 3:15 AM I'm looking at the post above on the methionine composition of various foods, and egg whites do jump off the page relative to the other foods. However, don't we need to put this table in perspective? These amounts are for 100 calorie servings. 100 calories of egg whites would be roughly SIX egg whites. 100 calories of pinto beans is about a half-cup. So a single egg white has only slightly more methionine (116) than a half-cup serving of cooked pinto beans (98 according to the table). I'm enjoying moving closer to a purely vegan diet, but as a researcher I also think it's important to present data and statistics in a realistic context. If nyldyj is eating one or two egg whites in an otherwise healthy plant-based diet, this is not the same thing as bombarding one's kidneys with high doses of animal protein on a regular basis. |
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| theodore
Joined: 09/16/10 Posts: 641 |
RE: egg whites Posted Monday, April 25, 2011 at 7:10 AM Kaiasgram A few points spring to my mind: 1) There's ample evidence to support a recommendation for avoiding egg whites. But of course you can always find a reason to doubt said advice if you want to. Even if you became convinced that egg white protein posed a problem, you might then say, well, they only looked at chickens' eggs, not ostrich eggs, or they only looked at scrambled eggs not poached eggs. And so the debate would go on and on to infinity. 2) This forum exists to provide support for people interested in following the Kickstart program, not for people to get locked in a neverending debate about the guidelines. 3) Smoking a couple of cigarrettes per week isn't the same as bombarding your lungs with tobacco smoke 10 times a day, so maybe PCRM should incorporate a bit of smoking into the Kickstart program. What do you think ?? In light of the above, I look forward to not hearing any more about this. Theodore Never make assumptions. You'll end up being an A**, and the UMP will TION you. -- Coach Smiley -- Fresh Prince of Bel Air |
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| Spingoddess
Joined: 04/06/11 Posts: 8 |
RE: egg whites Posted Monday, April 25, 2011 at 7:42 AM Theodore, I didn't know this site had an official censor (you, in case you didn't get the point). You didn't "hear" about this, you had to go to this site, go to the thread, go to the post... If you don't want to discuss a topic, it's very easy not to. I think it is extremely rude to tell people what to discuss. theodore wrote: Kaiasgram
A few points spring to my mind: 1) There's ample evidence to support a recommendation for avoiding egg whites. But of course you can always find a reason to doubt said advice if you want to. Even if you became convinced that egg white protein posed a problem, you might then say, well, they only looked at chickens' eggs, not ostrich eggs, or they only looked at scrambled eggs not poached eggs. And so the debate would go on and on to infinity. 2) This forum exists to provide support for people interested in following the Kickstart program, not for people to get locked in a neverending debate about the guidelines. 3) Smoking a couple of cigarrettes per week isn't the same as bombarding your lungs with tobacco smoke 10 times a day, so maybe PCRM should incorporate a bit of smoking into the Kickstart program. What do you think ?? In light of the above, I look forward to not hearing any more about this. Theodore |
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| theodore
Joined: 09/16/10 Posts: 641 |
RE: egg whites Posted Monday, April 25, 2011 at 7:59 AM That's right baby, I'm the official censor of the Kickstart forum, and I eat trolls for breakfast. They're a hell of a lot lot tastier than egg whites. Never make assumptions. You'll end up being an A**, and the UMP will TION you. -- Coach Smiley -- Fresh Prince of Bel Air |
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