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| pitrunner
Joined: 01/13/11 Posts: 5 |
Eat to Live anyone? Posted Thursday, January 13, 2011 at 7:44 AM So happy to have found this forum! I've been a vegetarian for the last 8 years and was vegan for around a year. I started experiencing a lot of crazy blood sugar spikes and crashes and so after visiting a nutritionist I was urged to eat more protein. Well, I found it really hard to get the amount they were recommending from my vegan sources and eventually incorporated low fat dairy and eggs back into my diet. Awful idea. Not only did my blood sugar issues not clear up, but I gained 10 pounds. New Years Day I decided I needed to hit the reset button on myself. I'm back to all vegan, all the time and I'm trying the Eat to Live approach. So far so good! My blood sugar issues seem to be getting better and I've lost a couple pounds...no easy feat for me. I am beginning to realize how much of a bread junkie I used to be! Has anyone else adopted this sort of diet? Any advice or tips? -Amber |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: Eat to Live anyone? Posted Thursday, January 13, 2011 at 8:00 AM Did they check for any other reasons besides "eat protein"? Hormonal changes can cause wild fluctuations in blood sugar when you aren't doing anything different, for example. --Deb R |
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| pitrunner
Joined: 01/13/11 Posts: 5 |
RE: Eat to Live anyone? Posted Thursday, January 13, 2011 at 8:11 AM Bugsmom wrote: Did they check for any other reasons besides "eat protein"? Hormonal changes can cause wild fluctuations in blood sugar when you aren't doing anything different, for example. --Deb R My PCP did extensive blood work first, which all turned out perfectly normal. It had gotten to the point this summer where I just felt hungry ALL.THE.TIME. I felt totally out of control. Since I've begun this plan though, I find that I can actually tell when I'm hungry and eat like a normal person. MTA: I should add the most important part (and why the nutritionist felt I needed way more protein) - I'm a distance runner and tri-athlete. I was finding that I couldn't complete even my short runs without getting cold, clammy, and dizzy. |
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| DianeJ
Joined: 01/01/10 Posts: 134 |
RE: Eat to Live anyone? Posted Thursday, January 13, 2011 at 8:15 AM I was impressed with that book by Dr. Fuhrman, but found it difficult to follow, even with my love of salads and beans. Would you share what you are eating in a normal day. Thanks. |
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| Checochinican
Joined: 01/04/11 Posts: 148 |
RE: Eat to Live anyone? Posted Thursday, January 13, 2011 at 10:10 AM I've been messing around with my vegan diet, in very small ways but with big negative results. Back on track, starting today. Very unhappy with myself. Just when I thought it was safe to eat yogurt....... I've also been snacking late in the evening on pumpernickel bread and non-dairy frozen dessert. Cutting those out, also. |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: Eat to Live anyone? Posted Thursday, January 13, 2011 at 10:20 AM Checochinican wrote: I've been messing around with my vegan diet, in very small ways but with big negative results. Back on track, starting today. Very unhappy with myself. Just when I thought it was safe to eat yogurt.......  I've also been snacking late in the evening on pumpernickel bread and non-dairy frozen dessert. Cutting those out, also. I'm with you - I've been 'fudging' things a bit these last few days and need to get back on track. Starting here, starting now... --Deb R |
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mollyhorn
 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 582 |
RE: Eat to Live anyone? Posted Thursday, January 13, 2011 at 10:58 AM I follow ETL loosely – I eat more grains than Fuhrman recommends – but overall I love his plan and have great results from it. It's helped me stay fit and healthy for the last year, and my blood tests always come back perfect. I'm a normal exerciser, not an endurance athlete, but I do take in a higher than normal amount of protein, also – though I use some of the fake meat substitutes for this (TVP, veggie patties, etc.), as well as tofu. I am also not a diabetic, so I don't have that to contend with. Molly Horn |
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| theodore
Joined: 09/16/10 Posts: 643 |
RE: Eat to Live anyone? Posted Thursday, January 13, 2011 at 11:16 AM I'm a fan of Dr Fuhrman to a certain extent. There are some questions in my mind about the ANDI system though. The main thing I don't know is whether it takes into account anti-nutrients as well as nutrients. For instance spinach scores 739 but does that include the negative effect of the oxalic acid ?? Also there's the raw / cooked issue. So if strawberries score 212, does that apply to strawberry puree as well as fresh strawberries ?? Then there's tomatoes - 164. Is that before or after they've been thrown at John Prescott ?? [[not that I would ever throw any food at a politician or pay anyone to throw it on my behalf or advocate that anyone else do so - I'm just asking the question]]. Theodore Never make assumptions. You'll end up being an A**, and the UMP will TION you. -- Coach Smiley -- Fresh Prince of Bel Air |
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| mollyhorn
Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 582 |
RE: Eat to Live anyone? Posted Thursday, January 13, 2011 at 11:31 AM I <3 you, Theodore. Molly Horn |
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| pitrunner
Joined: 01/13/11 Posts: 5 |
RE: Eat to Live anyone? Posted Thursday, January 13, 2011 at 11:33 AM DianeJ wrote: I was impressed with that book by Dr. Fuhrman, but found it difficult to follow, even with my love of salads and beans. Would you share what you are eating in a normal day. Thanks. Sure...my normal days is basically this: B: Smoothie (VEGA protein powder, almond milk, berries, banana, spinach) L: Huge salad with chick peas or lentils D: a huge bowl of steamed green beans and some kale w/ olive oil If I feel like I need a snack I sometimes have vegan dark chocolate almonds or some Turtle Mountain vegan ice cream On days when I just feel the need to eat more I'll sometimes add some Gardein Nuggets to lunch or dinner The funny thing is...eating this way was how I lost over 70 pounds over the course of 2 years. I had no idea it was falling in line with any particular program, it was just something that felt good to me. Somewhere along the way I gave myself permission to eat waaaaay too much peanut butter and waaay too many bagels and I think that's where I really went astray. But now that I'm back I feel great. It's also good to have "permission" to eat just veggies for dinner. You have no idea how many times I used to have defend myself for that! |
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| pitrunner
Joined: 01/13/11 Posts: 5 |
RE: Eat to Live anyone? Posted Thursday, January 13, 2011 at 11:36 AM Checochinican wrote: I've been messing around with my vegan diet, in very small ways but with big negative results. Back on track, starting today. Very unhappy with myself. Just when I thought it was safe to eat yogurt....... I've also been snacking late in the evening on pumpernickel bread and non-dairy frozen dessert. Cutting those out, also. It's amazing isn't it? Now that I'm fully off of dairy again I can say for sure that it was the cause of terrible allergies and post-nasal drip for me. After only 3 days back to being fully vegan it cleared up. |
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| theodore
Joined: 09/16/10 Posts: 643 |
RE: Eat to Live anyone? Posted Thursday, January 13, 2011 at 11:45 AM Thanks Molly. You know I <3 you too, right. Never make assumptions. You'll end up being an A**, and the UMP will TION you. -- Coach Smiley -- Fresh Prince of Bel Air |
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LaniMuelrath
 Location: California Posts: 557 |
RE: Eat to Live anyone? Posted Thursday, January 13, 2011 at 11:32 PM Love Dr. Furhman's work. These guys are all on the same page, really. I've seen them debate and get riled up with eachother's opinions, but they all are on the same train and have great love and respect for eachother! I ate ETL for a couple of months several years ago (I tend to guinea pig myself, within certain limits of course! :lol I do know of some people who thrive on and love the Fuhrman plan. Maybe something to do with caloric needs? And frankly, I never got the "true hunger" idea. I eat when I'm hungry, stop when I'm not, pick whole high quality 95% of the time, vegan. It's working quite well. Anyone else have insights on the "true hunger" deal a la Fuhrman? Lani Lani Muelrath, M.A. CGFI, CPBN
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| wen
Joined: 09/08/10 Posts: 54 |
RE: Eat to Live anyone? Posted Friday, January 14, 2011 at 2:50 AM I am glad to know that I am not the only one "cheat" here...I was snacking around here and there....BREAD...is my problem....I LOOOOVE bread and these days, I eat way too much bread (multi-grain, pumpernickel, etc..)..usually at night I feel hungry, and I pile through lots bread...I need to control how much bread I eat... from my understanding, ETL is only veggie + bean...bread (grain) is out...I feel it is hard to follow... |
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| LaniMuelrath
Location: California Posts: 557 |
RE: Eat to Live anyone? Posted Friday, January 14, 2011 at 9:47 AM wen wrote: I am glad to know that I am not the only one "cheat" here...I was snacking around here and there....BREAD...is my problem....I LOOOOVE bread and these days, I eat way too much bread (multi-grain, pumpernickel, etc..)..usually at night I feel hungry, and I pile through lots bread...I need to control how much bread I eat... from my understanding, ETL is only veggie + bean...bread (grain) is out...I feel it is hard to follow... Hi Wen, I'm a real bread girl too and eat it every day. Not all breads were created equal - as a matter of fact I made a video about this just a few weeks back that may give you some ideas: How to eat bread on a slimming diet At the same time, you are wise to look carefully at not overdoing the bread because it is so calorie dense and can slow down your weight loss, if indeed that is what you are seeking to achieve. The way to do that is to be sure you are fed up - well fed - on less calorie dense healthy fare such as whole intact grains (rice, barley, etc), starchy vegetables, all veggies of course and then the fruits and their friends. Be sure to eat well from early in the day so that hunger does not catch up with you later and all you have eyes for is - bread! This must be up for a lot of people this week - noshing at night! Actually, it inspired the Feature Article in my newsletter today, "Why Most Diets Fail". Can you guess? I do go on! Let me know if you need any more assist in the bread department. Bread lovers unite! Lani Lani Muelrath, M.A. CGFI, CPBN
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: Eat to Live anyone? Posted Friday, January 14, 2011 at 9:56 AM LaniMuelrath wrote: Be sure to eat well from early in the day so that hunger does not catch up with you later and all you have eyes for is - bread! This must be up for a lot of people this week - noshing at night! Actually, it inspired the Feature Article in my newsletter today, "Why Most Diets Fail". Can you guess? Bread lovers unite!  Lani An old friend goes by the motto "Eat like a king at breakfast, a prince at lunch and a pauper at dinner" - that is, fill up early in the day and simply at night. I don't know about everyone here, but this has been a humdinger of a cold week - snow Friday/Saturday, Saturday/Sunday and a nor'easter Tuesday/Wednesday. When it's really cold, especially if I'm out in it, I want more calories (like bread), I want more fats. If I don't find good ways to meet those wants I reach for the donuts and sweets and such. Sometimes it just needs to feel like it's rich and full of fat, even if it isn't (creamy texture helps a lot in this respect). I'll add a teaspoon-size schmear of Smart Balance type vegan margarine to a bowl of whole grain pasta and marinara just to get the fat in - just that one little bit of extra fat can keep me away from diving into other stuff that would be far more detrimental overall. |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: Eat to Live anyone? Posted Friday, January 14, 2011 at 3:15 PM pitrunner wrote: So happy to have found this forum! I've been a vegetarian for the last 8 years and was vegan for around a year. I started experiencing a lot of crazy blood sugar spikes and crashes and so after visiting a nutritionist I was urged to eat more protein. -Amber I've been pondering this, where those spikes/drops could come from. And, if they've ascertained that your hormonal levels/changes are not causing them, some other ideas come to mind. 3 and 4 might be caught by a doctor but the others might not even be checked. I don't know if any of these fit at all, just throwing stuff at the wall to see what might stick --Deb R |
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| kiwi
Joined: 01/03/11 Location: New Zealand Posts: 405 |
RE: Eat to Live anyone? Posted Saturday, January 15, 2011 at 1:10 AM I too an a fan of Dr Fuhrman, have read his books etc. What he says has good research behind it rather than some diet fad. However, I tried the 6 week weight loss plan twice but failed because it seemed too many rules for me - e.g. large salad every meal and I could not keep up. I have also been a little disappointed of late as the recipies from his web site use products he is selling. If you don't want to buy his dressings and flavourings you have to find suitable replacements. However, I remain a fan in that he is advocating the same vegetarian/vegan diet that we know know is good for us, just with his own spin on it. We need this message out there told in different ways as people hear the message in different ways. Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food - Hippocrates. |
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| Kayll
Joined: 01/15/11 Posts: 5 |
RE: Eat to Live anyone? Posted Saturday, January 15, 2011 at 9:49 AM Hi, I've also done ETL and lost 15 pounds on the six week program. But I fell off it because I couldn't keep that much fresh produce in my fridge and I got sick of salads. Plus I had just gotten a new job and everyone took me out to eat.... it felt funny ordering just salad, so I started eating rich dairy laden vegetarian dishes and slowly started putting the weight back on. Kiwi, I also am a bit annoyed by the constant selling of items from his site and the pushing of his site membership. His other book set, Eat For Health, has a lot more recipes in it since it consists of two books: book one is the diet info, book two are the recipes. What I am following more during the 21 day vegan kickstart (I've been an overweight vegetarian for about 10 years) is Dr. McDougall's program. His actual program is free on his website,http://www.drmcdougall.com, along with a free forum and free newsletters & recipe archives. I'm eating until I'm stuffed and am losing about 2 pounds a week. It's awesome! Breakfast: oatmeal with fruit Here's the recipe for the brownies. http://www.nomeatathlete.com/black-bean-brownies/ Vegan, fat free, filled with fiber and protein yet STILL taste good. Everyone loved them except my fiance. Dr. McDougall also has a black bean brownie recipe, but I haven't tried it yet. Actually, you might like the site the brownies are from, No Meat Athlete, because I think the site owner is a vegan ultra marathon runner. I only found the site via searching for the brownie recipe. I believe they have a forum, too, and a cute t-shirt with a running carrot on it. |
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| theodore
Joined: 09/16/10 Posts: 643 |
RE: Eat to Live anyone? Posted Saturday, January 15, 2011 at 11:15 AM Hey I like your menu Kayll. I'm a McDougaller myself. Actually I think of myself as a Barnarder / McDougaller / Esselstyner all rolled into one. A Barndougallstyner. Or Esso-Barnardo-McDougalltarian. Actually the Esso bit doesn't sound right does it. It's only the world's biggest oil company. I'll stick with Barndougallstyner. Never make assumptions. You'll end up being an A**, and the UMP will TION you. -- Coach Smiley -- Fresh Prince of Bel Air |
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but I found I was just too hungry with out the satiety of more substantial eats. After all, it is the bulk and weight and nutrition of foodstuffs that gives us satiety, and high water content as pretty much IT leaves me on the prowl for eats, cranky, and dangerously close to looking outside the circle of what I see as nutritious, wholesome food. Fancy way of saying when I pass too much on the bread and potatoes I start looking around for cookies. Far better to eat the bread and potatoes!
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