Forums: January 2011 Kickstart Forum: Coconut Oil?
Created on: 01/13/11 10:43 AM Views: 4519 Replies: 16
cch22 Joined: 09/08/10 Location: New York State Posts: 1000	Coconut Oil? Posted Thursday, January 13, 2011 at 10:43 AM I see advertising campaigns for coconut oil coming up thru the ranks.. even Jillian Michaels says use it, drink it.. lose weight. Is it all hype? How does it compare to olive oil besides the high smoke point and no flavor? (so health wise) PCRM says very minimal oil, would coconut oil be better if i were going to use any at all? The medium chain fatty acids in coconut oil, which are known to increase thermogenesis giving increased metabolism and energy, seem to be one of the primary components in coconut oil that results in reducing body fat while keeping muscle in tact. This website makes me think of snake oil salesmen..it cures or helps with everything.. any facts to any of this?? http://www.organicfacts.net/organic-oils/organic-coconut-oil/health-benefits-of-coconut-oil.html
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mollyhorn Joined: 03/03/10 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 582	RE: Coconut Oil? Posted Thursday, January 13, 2011 at 10:52 AM Oh, Cynthia! *lol* This is a big one for me, because of where I work (specialty grocery). I hope you don't mind reading: You'd be loco to believe coconut-oil marketing hype By Dr. Mehmet Oz and Dr. Michael Roizen Read more: You'd be loco to believe coconut-oil marketing hype - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/fitness/ci_15436203#ixzz13xqMZ9u7 Q: My friend is discouraged because she's not losing weight. She's heard that coconut oil will make you lean and healthy. What do you think? — Brenda, Frederick, Md. A: Did you know that there's a manufacturing plant in the Philippines that is turning coconut oil into a biofuel? We say put it in your car before you put it in your body. While most plant products are good for you, coconut oil is a complete misfit. It is loaded with saturated fat, the kind that clogs up your internal engine (your arteries and heart) with lousy LDL cholesterol and puts you on the wait list for the cardiac care unit. Virgin coconut oil recently got a PR makeover, claiming it can do all kinds of miraculous things, from speeding up weight loss to stopping cancer. Coconut oil is a health food? Not! It has more saturated fat than butter, burgers, even lard, which means it can lead to everything from heart attack to — if you live long enough — dementia. Some say it is a medium-chain saturated fat, and that makes it healthy. That's BS (bad science). The data give coconut oil no more a clean bill of health than butter or menthol cigarettes. What makes you lean and healthy isn't the trend-of-the-month PR, it's a no-BS lifestyle: plenty of fruits, vegetables, beans, fish and whole grains that fill you up without filling you out; modest amounts of skinless white-meat poultry and the good fats found in nuts, avocados, olive and canola oils; and walking for 30 minutes every day. Read more: You'd be loco to believe coconut-oil marketing hype - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/fitness/ci_15436203#ixzz13xqKaPBZ (Extra virgin) coconut oil's internet hype Coconut oil is one of the few saturated fats that doesn't come from animals, but like other saturated fats can raise cholesterol levels and, therefore, should play only a very limited role, if any, in your diet... we don't have any evidence suggesting that coconut oil is better for you than other saturated fats. The benefits of coconut oil in the diet, if any, are likely to be minimal...I do not recommend using it." -Dr. Andrew Weil, M.D. "Member question: Is extra virgin coconut oil as safe or heart healthy as articles are have been stating? Dr. Ornish: "I'm not a big fan of coconut oil since it is highly saturated and may raise cholesterol levels." - Dr. Dean Ornish, M.D., president and founder of the nonprofit Preventive Medicine Research Institute; Clinical Professor of Medicine at the University of California, San Francisco "Coconut oil is the newest miracle food promoted on the Internet and at health food stores for rejuvenation and cure of “whatever ails you.” Advocates of coconut oil claim this sensational food has anti-microbial, anti-heart disease, anti-cancer, and anti-obesity benefits. Furthermore, this fat is sold as a cure for low thyroid function (hypothyroidism). This is a huge turnaround for a substance that has traditionally been thought of as an artery-clogging saturated fat. Testimonials provide most of the evidence for the miraculous effects these oils have on people, rather than well thought out and carefully designed experiments. Thus, most of these claims are based on a little truth overblown into a sales pitch for sellers of coconut oil... Even though coconut oil is high in saturated fat, populations consuming large quantities of coconut products (such as in the Philippines), have low rates of heart disease—but this is likely due to their overall diet—with a very low consumption of meats (cholesterol) and processed foods and high intakes of rice and vegetables—rather than the coconut... Thus, coconut fat seems to be slightly better than butter—but not much." - Dr John McDougall, M.D., author, founder of the McDougall Health & Wellness Center, member of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine "All tropical oils (palm and coconut) are highly saturated fats. Like butter, cheese, and meat, tropical oils raise LDL cholesterol and clog arteries with plaque, increasing your risk of a heart attack. We use coconut oil (because it is so highly saturated) in animal experiments to create atherosclerotic plaque for studying heart disease in animals. ... A small percentage of the saturated fat in coconut oil, about 10%, is made up of these less harmful saturated fatty acids, but virtually all the rest of coconut oil's saturated fat is made up of the long-chain varieties that raise LDL. Coconut oil is getting promoted on the web, internet and even the health food industry, claiming its healthy because most of its fat is made up of medium chain fatty acids (MCT), which are metabolized differently. Yes, it is true that a small portion of coconut oil is MCT (C-6 to C-10 fatty acids) and these do get oxidized more quickly and have little impact on LDL-C levels. However, because the vast majority of saturated fatty acids in coconut oil are the longer chain fatty acids, C-12 to C-16 (lauric, myristic and palmitic acids) it does in fact elevate LDL-C. The idea that MCT fats will induce weight loss or detoxify the liver is an example of alternative nonsense at its highest level. Coconut oil is 92% saturated, making it more saturated than butter, beef tallow, or even lard... You just can't believe everything you read on the internet. This man above [article link] (and Dr. Mercola too) has been taken in by health food industry hype, it is wrong. The coconut oil industry likes to point out that the traditional Polynesian diet - high in tropical oils like coconut - is linked with relatively low rates of heart disease. However, it's important to remember that heart disease involves multiple variables. It is not all fat. The high consumption of fruits, vegetables, fish and the low consumption of cheese and beef obviously are critical in studies of people on traditional Polynesian diets with low rates from heart disease. To attribute the benefit to consuming coconut oil is very deceptive and a clear marketing ploy.... But anyone that claims coconut oil is a health food, or good quality butter is good for you, is clearly not someone you should trust with your health." - Dr. Joel Fuhrman, M.D., author, member of the Board of Directors of the National Health Association, serves on the Advisory Panel of The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, on medical staff of Hunterdon Medical Center in Flemington, New Jersey, where he specializes in nutritional medicine. Molly Horn
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Susan Levin Joined: 12/26/09 Posts: 1191	RE: Coconut Oil? Posted Thursday, January 13, 2011 at 10:56 AM Gosh Molly! Thanks for taking care of that in spades. Susan Levin, MS, RD PCRM Director of Nutrition Education
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mollyhorn Joined: 03/03/10 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 582	RE: Coconut Oil? Posted Thursday, January 13, 2011 at 10:59 AM *lol* I am nothing if not (overly) thorough. Molly Horn
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cch22 Joined: 09/08/10 Location: New York State Posts: 1000	RE: Coconut Oil? Posted Thursday, January 13, 2011 at 11:09 AM Thank you soooo much.. I am old enough to remember so many different claims about products that i am weary and leary to believe anything without checking it out myself.. Between Molly & Susan I have my answer. Once again thank you!! boo hoo. i made a raw food flourless (almond meal)orange coconut cake... thought i was doing good... I won't be adding that recipe to my book!
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cch22 Joined: 09/08/10 Location: New York State Posts: 1000	RE: Coconut Oil? Posted Thursday, January 13, 2011 at 11:14 AM How about coconut milk? I see it's all fat..even the unsweetened... http://www.purelydecadent.com/products/Coconut_Bev_Unsweetened.html
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mollyhorn Joined: 03/03/10 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 582	RE: Coconut Oil? Posted Thursday, January 13, 2011 at 11:30 AM Coconut milk = coconut fat = same thing to me! If I want coconut flavor, I use unsweetened almond milk with a little coconut extract added. Molly Horn
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cch22 Joined: 09/08/10 Location: New York State Posts: 1000	RE: Coconut Oil? Posted Thursday, January 13, 2011 at 11:36 AM agian.. thank you!
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Oceandog Joined: 01/10/10 Location: California, USA Posts: 642	RE: Coconut Oil? Posted Thursday, January 13, 2011 at 1:58 PM So Molly.... how do you REALLY feel? Always offer kindness and a soft word to the beings around you; You do not know their journey. Your words can be the hug they need or the shove that breaks them.
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DianeJ Joined: 01/01/10 Posts: 134	RE: Coconut Oil? Posted Thursday, January 13, 2011 at 2:00 PM Really not debating the fact that the less oil, probably the better...and I am certainly familiar with the credibility of the above named experts...but there is some research that shows there may be some benefits to organic virgin coconut oil as opposed to some of the other oils. This reminds me of the controversy surrounding canola oil....many credible doctors approve its use as a healthy oil(of course, assuming you have decided to use oil), while others are convinced it is toxic due to its highly refined nature and erucic acid. I do agree that we need to be careful not to buy in to the hype of the latest magic food to make us skinny, healthy, happier, younger, etc,etc....
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cch22 Joined: 09/08/10 Location: New York State Posts: 1000	RE: Coconut Oil? Posted Thursday, January 13, 2011 at 6:06 PM HI Molly, I saw this site where the guy makes his own almond milk and thought of you.. he even uses the leftover pulp for cookies! http://gliving.com/homemade-almond-milk-bite-this/
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mollybug Joined: 09/08/10 Posts: 23	RE: Coconut Oil? Posted Thursday, January 13, 2011 at 9:56 PM Hi Molly! It's me, Molly back again for the next round! Now you mention coconut milk but I assume you mean in the can and not this: http://www.turtlemountain.com/products/coconut_milk_beverage.html Thanks for your insight! ~ Molly San Diego, CA Molly D. ~ San Diego, CA
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LaniMuelrath Joined: 12/30/09 Location: California Posts: 557	RE: Coconut Oil? Posted Thursday, January 13, 2011 at 11:14 PM Molly, what an awesome response! Just last week I started a thread over at McD "Is it just me or is this coconut oil nonsense over the top" - because it does seem to be running rampant! I even experimented with it myself a few years back when it came onto the scene and after 2 months my cholesterol was jumped by 25 pts. Jeff Novick did a great article on coconut oil as a junk food that you can read here: Coconut oil: Clever Marketing of Junk Food? Thanks all for the great contributions to this conversation - as always! Lani Facebook Celebrity Tips Page Lani Muelrath, M.A. CGFI, CPBN the Plant-Based Fitness Expert McDougall Health & Medical Center 5 Minute Fitness & Plant-based Blueprint www
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mollyhorn Joined: 03/03/10 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 582	RE: Coconut Oil? Posted Friday, January 14, 2011 at 3:02 PM mollybug wrote: Now you mention coconut milk but I assume you mean in the can and not this: http://www.turtlemountain.com/products/coconut_milk_beverage.html Hey mollybug! You're absolutely correct - I meant the canned kind. Sorry, should have specified. Molly Horn
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mollyhorn Joined: 03/03/10 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 582	RE: Coconut Oil? Posted Friday, January 14, 2011 at 3:03 PM You guys are all awesome. Molly Horn
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cch22 Joined: 09/08/10 Location: New York State Posts: 1000	RE: Coconut Oil? Posted Friday, January 14, 2011 at 3:12 PM Does that mean the soy delicious is an ok option for drinking.. but not for health or losing weight
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mollyhorn Joined: 03/03/10 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 582	RE: Coconut Oil? Posted Saturday, January 15, 2011 at 12:01 AM I would assume so, Cynthia. I've never actually tried it. Molly Horn
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