Forums: April 2012 Kickstart Forum: Now diabetic / Now on lipitor
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Red Joined: 04/03/12 Posts: 12	RE: Now diabetic / Now on lipitor Posted Monday, April 9, 2012 at 4:10 PM When you lose weight your type 2 diabetes goes away. If you gain it back it comes back. Simple
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Susan Levin Joined: 12/26/09 Posts: 1191	RE: Now diabetic / Now on lipitor Posted Monday, April 9, 2012 at 4:10 PM Diabetes is not defined as "curable" under any circumstance. Dr. Barnard would be the first to tell patients a low-fat, vegan diet does not "cure" diabetes but rather, for many people, reverses its symptoms. This never EVER means one should adjust medications without a doctor's complete consent. PCRM does not promote an anti-pharmaceutical approach to health and healing. We believe medications play an invaluable role in helping people live better lives. We value different opinions on most matters, but once stated, there is no need to badger people on an issue. Thank you for helping to keep this forum respectful for everyone. Susan Levin, MS, RD PCRM Director of Nutrition Education
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Bugsmom Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2069	RE: Now diabetic / Now on lipitor Posted Monday, April 9, 2012 at 4:50 PM Red wrote: To Bugsmom Please read Dr. Barnard's "Reversing Diabetes (type 2)." It is a curable and revealable disease. http://www.nealbarnard.org/diabetes_book.htm I did - and he never says it is a cure - it can be reversed, that is, the progression, the downward spiral, can be stopped and things can improve (fewer meds, fewer complications) that does not mean it's gone goodbye forever - that's what a cure is. If they replaced a type 1 diabetic's pancreas with a fresh healthy one, it would be a cure - they could eat whatever with no meds and their blood glucose would be 'normal' (barring other factors). Their diabetes would be totally gone. It's like saying someone with leukemia who is in remission is cured - nope, it's being monitored because it can still come back. Same with type 2 when it is being well controlled - monitor and hope it stays controlled. It can still come back. For that matter, in some cases it can, despite lifestyle changes (because genetics is involved as well), progress even IF one is doing all the best things. There are overweight, sedentary, omnivores who NEVER get type 2. Then there are slender, marathon running, vegan who have type 2. There's more at work than simply "lose weight and you're cured" --Deb R
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Red Joined: 04/03/12 Posts: 12	RE: Now diabetic / Now on lipitor Posted Monday, April 9, 2012 at 8:12 PM This is a discussion I no longer wish to be involved in. Think what you want. I have lived with type 1 diabetes for 34 years and I don't need to be told about the ins and outs of the disease. When I was diagnosed I was taking animal insulin, testing my urine, and was told 'WHEN' I go blind not 'IF' I go blind. Type 1 is a genetic disease, not type 2. Because we have a nation of overweight people, type 2 is now getting passed on through genes but that is not the original nature of the disease. I thought this was a forum for a healthy vegan lifestyle and not for discounting medicine that is necessary and vital for many people. I do hope and I believe that when you maintain a healthy weight and lifestyle that your type 2 diabetes will go away. Wish I could do the same with mine but type 1 is a completely different and incurable disease.
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AnnieGoat Joined: 09/06/10 Location: Coquitlam, British Columbia Posts: 21	RE: Now diabetic / Now on lipitor Posted Wednesday, April 11, 2012 at 2:23 AM Susan Levin wrote: This never EVER means one should adjust medications without a doctor's complete consent. PCRM does not promote an anti-pharmaceutical approach to health and healing. We believe medications play an invaluable role in helping people live better lives. In British Columbia, doctors have such busy practices, spending five or ten minutes with each patient, that they don't have time to read the volumes of research on the many medications and other treatments they are told to prescribe. It, therefore, falls to us, who are experts on our own bodies - although perhaps not in a scientific sense - to do the research ourselves. If need be we take our findings to our doctor and hope we end up on the same page. If not...if there's a concern about the safety and possible serious side effects of a medication, if you've educated yourself, then, I believe, you are warranted to make your own decision EVEN without your doctor's complete consent. Respectfully, Anne "I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that he didn't trust me so much." -- Mother Teresa
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