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Created on: 09/02/12 07:53 AM Views: 2415 Replies: 14
subsitute for milk coffee and milk tea
Posted Sunday, September 2, 2012 at 7:53 AM

Hello everyone,

Here in Vietnam where I'm currently residing, the coffee and tea are usually made with sweetened condensed milk. I'm not exactly sure HOW this is different from regular milk, but of course I know it's dairy! It's going to be tough stopping this because I love my coffee and here, it's just so good. Smile

So what to do, should I buy soy milk and just add it to black coffee - ha, once i learn to successfully pronounce and order it? Or should I stop coffee and tea for the month...what do you guys usually do for dairy substitutes? Luckily there is soya milk available here in Saigon.

RE: subsitute for milk coffee and milk tea
Posted Sunday, September 2, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Hi Cuteddybears, and welcome. Yes, Vietnam would be a good place to be vegan.

Sweetened condensed milk is very high fat and very sweet... Soy milk will be horrible after that, until your taste buds change. Better to go black. In three days your coffee will just taste like coffee, and you'll never go back.

The dairy substitutes are better to leave until your tastes have changed and your brain chemistry has adjusted.

I was vegetarian for decades, and was convinced I couldn't live without cheese, but found that I just had to learn to make sauces and creams from other things. It wasn't actually the dairy I missed, once I got it out of my system, it was sauces and creamy textures, Cashews are amazing. Get the dairy out of your system first, and you will be fine. Good luck.

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RE: subsitute for milk coffee and milk tea
Posted Monday, September 3, 2012 at 3:01 AM

Hi and thanks for the feedback - wow, you really read my mind..or rather, taste-buds! It is indeed the...cream-like texture that I am always craving, hence why I like milky things, and also sugar is a big trigger for me - find that if i have a little bit, I just want more and more!

Of course I don't want to be doing the vegan kick-start and living on just sweets that are vegan, like loads of dark chocolate, soy lattes and nothing else...so I want to try this kick-start and see if I challenge myself to eat more vegetables, fruits and lentils this month...maybe I will find myself naturally craving the milk/dairy less. I certainly hope so!

Question, some people here have been talking about the China study. I seem to find so much info and also things that are trying to counteract this...being a vegan for sometime now, could you help me to understand in a nutshell what this study is talking about?

Thank you again! Very Happy

RE: subsitute for milk coffee and milk tea
Posted Monday, September 3, 2012 at 6:48 AM

Darn, I can't help much as I haven't read it. I only know in general, mostly from the movie Forks over Knives. If you haven't seen the movie, please do!

madeline yakimchuk
Director: MEET IRENE - An Unlikely Vegan
GRYPHON media productions

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RE: subsitute for milk coffee and milk tea
Posted Monday, September 3, 2012 at 7:36 AM

cuteddybears wrote:

Hi and thanks for the feedback - wow, you really read my mind..or rather, taste-buds! It is indeed the...cream-like texture that I am always craving, hence why I like milky things, and also sugar is a big trigger for me - find that if i have a little bit, I just want more and more!

Of course I don't want to be doing the vegan kick-start and living on just sweets that are vegan, like loads of dark chocolate, soy lattes and nothing else...so I want to try this kick-start and see if I challenge myself to eat more vegetables, fruits and lentils this month...maybe I will find myself naturally craving the milk/dairy less. I certainly hope so!

Question, some people here have been talking about the China study. I seem to find so much info and also things that are trying to counteract this...being a vegan for sometime now, could you help me to understand in a nutshell what this study is talking about?

Thank you again! Very Happy

Cuteteddybears

China Study is a vegan must-read classic. I read it at least once a year and also went through the course designed by T. Colin Campbell (author) certifying one in plant-based nutrition. The course materials are founded on information from the study, along with contributions from other Plant-Based Diet superstars such as Dr. McDougall.

The study shines a light on problems with excess protein in the diet, the problem with animal proteins in the diet - and excess is anything more than 5 - 10% of calories from animal proteins, which is not a whole lot! In other words, a little can make a big impression - in all the ways you want to avoid.

It is much more than that however - you also get an excellent history from Dr. Campbells research experience and personal transformation from one who went out to prove that we NEED animal protein to finding out otherwise!

Here is a summary of the book for you:

http://tctutoring.net/pdf/ChinaStudy.pdf

Lani


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RE: subsitute for milk coffee and milk tea
Posted Monday, September 3, 2012 at 8:45 AM

Thank you Lani... I hope you don't mind that I post that pdf link in the Cape Breton Vegetarian Association page!

madeline yakimchuk
Director: MEET IRENE - An Unlikely Vegan
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RE: subsitute for milk coffee and milk tea
Posted Monday, September 3, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Lani - Maybe you can help me. I first read the China Study a year ago and I am the process of re reading it. I thought I had read that you can take the nutritonal course that is based off the China Study online through Cornell. I checked online - couldnt fins anything they may not offer it each semester - just not sure. I would so enjoy taking that course. Any info. you have regarding it would be very appreciated.
Thanks!
Jenn

RE: subsitute for milk coffee and milk tea
Posted Monday, September 3, 2012 at 4:49 PM

pemaquid wrote:

Lani - Maybe you can help me. I first read the China Study a year ago and I am the process of re reading it. I thought I had read that you can take the nutritonal course that is based off the China Study online through Cornell. I checked online - couldnt fins anything they may not offer it each semester - just not sure. I would so enjoy taking that course. Any info. you have regarding it would be very appreciated.
Thanks!
Jenn

Hi Jenn!

Here is a site link:
http://www.ecornell.com/certificate-programs/co-branded-programs-training/certificate-in-plant-based-nutrition/crt/TCCC01

Here are 2 followup course articles I put together:

Plant-based Nutrition Certification Cornell University Q & A: Part 1

Protein madness and special interests, aka the #1 thing I learned in plant-based nutrition school

Hope all of this helps!

Lani

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RE: subsitute for milk coffee and milk tea
Posted Monday, September 3, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Lani
Thank you! Just took a quick look at your website - it looks wonderful!

RE: subsitute for milk coffee and milk tea
Posted Monday, September 3, 2012 at 5:23 PM

pemaquid wrote:

Lani
Thank you! Just took a quick look at your website - it looks wonderful!

Pemaquid (now where did you come up with that name?)

Thanks for the kind words - and to think she's under renovation! It's time to reorganize and put some of my new information and photos up in advance of the book. I'm always trying to get it better organized. Let me know if you have any suggestions, OK?

Cheers!

Lani

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RE: subsitute for milk coffee and milk tea
Posted Monday, September 3, 2012 at 5:47 PM

Pemaquid is an amazing special pennisula in Maine - a place I hope to have a home some day.

Just finished your article on your wbsite about Dr. McDougall. It resonated with me because I still have a hard time believing that its ok - actually beneficial to eat sweet potaotes and brown rice with each meal. I have been trying to follow Dr. McDougall's Maxium Weight Loss program but I think this maybe part of my problem not eating enough of those type of carbs with my meals. I find that the hunger/cravings can still be really strong. That along with battling emotional eating and the mindset that "I am the only person on earth that can't lose weight" makes for sticking with any program a little tougher.
I am now reading Dr. Barnard's Breaking The Food Seduction and it is wonderful - teaching me how to keep the food addictions from getting the best of me while leaning why these addictions occur in the first place.
Hope its ok I am totally off the origianl subject here - first time I have ever posted on a discussion board. I'm guessing this should be a seperate thread. Sorry!

RE: subsitute for milk coffee and milk tea
Posted Monday, September 3, 2012 at 6:12 PM

pemaquid wrote:

Pemaquid is an amazing special pennisula in Maine - a place I hope to have a home some day.

Just finished your article on your wbsite about Dr. McDougall. It resonated with me because I still have a hard time believing that its ok - actually beneficial to eat sweet potaotes and brown rice with each meal. I have been trying to follow Dr. McDougall's Maxium Weight Loss program but I think this maybe part of my problem not eating enough of those type of carbs with my meals. I find that the hunger/cravings can still be really strong. That along with battling emotional eating and the mindset that "I am the only person on earth that can't lose weight" makes for sticking with any program a little tougher.
I am now reading Dr. Barnard's Breaking The Food Seduction and it is wonderful - teaching me how to keep the food addictions from getting the best of me while leaning why these addictions occur in the first place.
Hope its ok I am totally off the origianl subject here - first time I have ever posted on a discussion board. I'm guessing this should be a seperate thread. Sorry!

Pemaquid,

As far as I'm concerned nothing off the subject as long as you are at the heart of the matter. And I SO appreciate your honesty in coming forward and saying you identify with my McDougall story - I can tell we have so much in common! I want to encourage you and tell you there is great hope. The story to which you refer is core to the nutrition chapter in my upcoming book. You are onto something big and lifechanging here!

Lani

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RE: subsitute for milk coffee and milk tea
Posted Tuesday, September 4, 2012 at 8:55 AM

It can definitely take some time to break old habits. If you get to where you absolutely MUST have that creamy texture, maybe try coconut milk - creamy and sweet but plant based. It is higher in fat but you can get it without added fats or sugars which helps.

--Deb R

RE: subsitute for milk coffee and milk tea
Posted Tuesday, September 4, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Back to the OP
Nothing will truky compare to Vietnamese coffe, so for the next few weeks you might try plain black coffee, or switch to plain tea. Chinese green tea should be widely available. And while Vietnamese cuisine has lots of plant strong meals, fish sauce is ubiquitous in Southeast Asian cooking. It's really just a condiment, but depending on how serious you want to take the vegan element, something to consider. I'm allergic to fish anyway, so I'm always careful.

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RE: subsitute for milk coffee and milk tea
Posted Wednesday, September 5, 2012 at 11:42 AM

haha, I definitely made sure I knew what Vietnamese words were for 'fish sauce' as you're right - it's definitely used in everything unless you make sure you say NO! haha.

I love hoisin sauce, the peanut sauce (not peanut butter, but more savoury taste) and plain old soya sauce.

I meant to ask about coconut milk...so it's definitely vegan? I wasn't sure...but sometimes here I do see fresh coconut milk being sold, I'm confused how is it different from coconut water? I see the milk is white in colour so it made me wonder if it was actually dairy-based.


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