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Created on: 09/20/11 03:45 PM Views: 1149 Replies: 7
Endurance Athlete- Protein issues
Posted Tuesday, September 20, 2011 at 3:45 PM

I have had a good experience so far with t he 21 day kick start I feel good, less sluggish I guess, But can't put my finger on exactly how I feel better. I am having trouble meeting protein requirements without whey protein supplements. (Plan protein supplements have pesticide/lead issues and very expensive). I am an endurance runner training for a marathon and really need the increased protein to repair muscle and keep my blood sugar stable. I have tried increasing bean intake, rice, quinoa, but I have gained weight with that approach. I am thinking of continuing the morning supplementation with whey protein and maybe adding fish for dinner.
Anyone have any other high protein suggestions?

RE: Endurance Athlete- Protein issues
Posted Tuesday, September 20, 2011 at 3:53 PM

When I was training actively, I used organic soy powder (ordered from Netrition, very affordable), seitan or wheat gluten, and occasionally protein bars. I also take a magnesium supplement, as this can help with blood sugar control. I eat tofu and occasionally tempeh, but are you avoiding those?

Molly Horn

RE: Endurance Athlete- Protein issues
Posted Tuesday, September 20, 2011 at 4:07 PM

I just finished searching for sources of complete protein, and reading an article online regarding protein sources. Although the article was titled "Top 10 Vegetarian Sources for Complete Protein" (would have to modify it for Vegan), maybe this will help. I had shut my comptuer down for a few minutes and now can't find the article, otherwise I'd add the link here. (Glad I had written these down on a piece of paper.) The article gave a description of each sources value - which I didn't write down, except for a few notes.

Top 10 Vegetarian Sources of Complete Protein

*Buckwheat
*Nutritional Yeast - good protein and B vitamin source
*Hemp (grind your own seeds - great protein powder
alternative to whey powder)
*Soy one of the best sources of complete protein(same nutritional value as meat, eggs & casein)
*Spirulina
*Amaranth - high in lysine, gluten free
*Quinoa
*(last 3 non vegan items were yogurt, cheese & eggs)

Perhaps cutting down on the beans/grains and adding some sources such as the hemp powder or spirulina for protein to a smoothie, might halt the weight gain. Just a suggestion! Good Luck.

Edited 09/20/11 4:12 PM
RE: Endurance Athlete- Protein issues
Posted Tuesday, September 20, 2011 at 4:57 PM

Do you know for a fact you are not meeting protein needs? Want to write down a list (with portions) of what you eat? I can do a VERY rough analysis and see.

Susan Levin, MS, RD
PCRM Director of Nutrition Education

RE: Endurance Athlete- Protein issues
Posted Tuesday, September 20, 2011 at 4:58 PM

I'm not an athlete by any stretch but recently started training. Last time I trained I had a trainer and she pushed whey protein on me, but it makes me bloated and gassy & totally IBS, even if I mix it with nutmilk instead of regular milk. So I switched to Vega, which is expensive. That is about to run out and I've got some hemp powder I'm going to try next. I know nothing about lead issues, but I do remember reading something not that long ago about metals contaminations in protein powders, but that article listed quantities found in mostly whey powders I think, perhaps soy too. Vega has a mix of hemp, pea & brown rice.

Even though quinoa has a good amino profile, it only has about 8g of protein per cup, whereas most beans have double that. If you're concerned about weight gain with plant sources, you may want to focus more on beans, soy & seitan and take in less fats & carbs. Even most vegetables (esp. leafy greens) have protein with very little calories. Just a thought.

RE: Endurance Athlete- Protein issues
Posted Tuesday, September 20, 2011 at 8:29 PM

Yes I am keeping close track of all my nutrients on Calorie counter for past 21 days. I would like to stay away from soy but that also eliminates a good protein source. Thanks for all your suggestions, I will try the spirulina and maybe look into hemp powder. I really like my new diet and would like to make it work. I am inspired by Scott Jurek who is a vegan and an Endurance Champion running 100 miles!

Thanks
So Much.

RE: Endurance Athlete- Protein issues
Posted Wednesday, September 21, 2011 at 8:02 AM

sherribc1988 wrote:

Yes I am keeping close track of all my nutrients on Calorie counter for past 21 days. I would like to stay away from soy but that also eliminates a good protein source. Thanks for all your suggestions, I will try the spirulina and maybe look into hemp powder. I really like my new diet and would like to make it work. I am inspired by Scott Jurek who is a vegan and an Endurance Champion running 100 miles!

Thanks
So Much.

Hey Sherri,

Why not take Susan up on her offer? I think it would be an interesting item for all of us to share!

I'm also interested to know what leads you to believe you are protein deficient.

Legumes and greens are high in proteins and yes, there is definitely more fiber and dietary bulk that come along with them!

Brendan Brazier, vegan elite athlete, has done quite a bit of investigation into this topic, for his own benefit. Here are some comments from him gleaned from the Plant-based Certification Course at Cornell University:



Quote:

However, when an athlete who’s intent on building muscle mass makes the shift to a plant-based
recovery formula, the initial reaction is usually panic. Less inflammation means less size, therefore it’s
likely that muscle mass will actually decrease slightly. But less inflammation also means greater
mobility and better functionality, and this translates directly to the ability to lift more weight, and lifting
more weight directly translates into stronger, larger muscles. So as the initial result might be a
reduction in muscle size, but the gain is the ability to build bigger, stronger muscles. If the athlete takes
advantage of this by training harder, he or she will have a distinct advantage over athletes who lack
muscle functionality due to inflammation.
Additionally, it’s interesting to note that strength athletes such as power lifters, body builders, and
football players, though exceptionally physically active, later in life have a higher incidence of
degenerative disease, such as coronary heart disease, than the average person. Above-average levels of
animal-based protein are thought to be the primary reason for this. As mentioned, not only does the
consumption of animal protein immediately following exercise reduce the effectiveness of the
following workout, but it will probably reduce the time span that the athlete will be able to compete at a
high level, ultimately leading to a shorter career and increased odds of contracting degenerative disease
once the athletic career has ended.

Here is an article that may interest you regarding "complete" protein - the media is laboring under old, outdated publicity on this one:

When Friends Ask, "Where do you get your protein?"

Also, my friend Brad Pilon, author of Eat Stop Eat intermittent fasting model) used to work for the supplement industry and spills the beans about the hype of the supplement world, especially when it comes to protein.

Remembering that excess protein has its own risks, and that carbohydrate gives us energy, there are important considerations when it comes to thinking of taking additional isolated protein. With increased energy demands of athletic workload, you have increased calorie intake, which results in increased protein intake as well.

Hope some of these articles help and all the best of success to you!

Lani

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RE: Endurance Athlete- Protein issues
Posted Wednesday, September 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM

Thank you for that information,I totally agree a plant based diet is probably better for people over their lifespan. I think that may be a good idea to have my daily food looked over.


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