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cch22
 Location: New York State Posts: 999 |
How do you answer???? Posted Friday, January 21, 2011 at 10:45 AM ok.. here is a post where you can ask the how do I answer when someone asks or says....... "_____" my question is this.. how do you answer when someone says.. your body was ment to eat meat. The thinking is that the human body is designed a certain way and needs certain things.I believe it because our bodies need vitimin b-12. Meat provides that very easily. IN 2011 we can find the b-12 from other sources.. but in days past.. historical times.. soy milk, nutrional yeast, etc was not readily available.. meat was available pretty much everywhere. Taking notice of course that even my ancestors thought chicken was for sunday dinner, and meat was a luxury not for every night. Anyway, our ancestors ate meat because they had to.. your body needs it. That same person acknowledges that now there are other sources. .. but by design.. we are meat eaters out of need. |
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| Susan Levin
Joined: 12/26/09 Posts: 1189 |
RE: How do you answer???? Posted Friday, January 21, 2011 at 10:59 AM There are many ways to address this inquiry. First, in the old days, our food system was far less sanitary. We didn’t need to supplement with something only bacteria makes – it was plentiful in the soil and the foods that came out of that soil. I am not arguing for a less hygienic food supply, but a consequence is that we are not eating as naturally as possible, for better or for worse. Secondly, if meat-based diets supplied everything we needed in modern culture, there wouldn’t be a requirement for refined grains to have added B vitamins (folate, thiamin, etc.). We are so deficient in these nutrients culturally, that it has been artificially fortified in our grains. We are also culturally deficient in vitamin A, calcium, and vitamin D – all of which are ADDED to cow’s milk (if cow’s actually grazed on grass, they would lactate a normal amount of calcium, but alas, they “graze” on corn and antibiotics). As for B12, anyone over the age of 50 should be supplementing with it, no matter his or her dietary practices. We simply do not absorb it as efficiently as we age. Does that mean we shouldn’t live past 50? I’m going to argue no. Also, as an added fyi, people who actually manifest B12 deficiencies in our culture do so because they fall into this elderly population category, not because they are vegan. Ultimately, in my opinion, it really isn’t about who is supplementing with what, and the one supplementing the least wins. My gold standard is that people who do not eat meat live longer and with less chronic disease – even more true for those who additionally abstain from dairy and eggs. Susan Levin, MS, RD |
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| cch22
Location: New York State Posts: 999 |
RE: How do you answer???? Posted Friday, January 21, 2011 at 11:09 AM Thank you Susan.. so the quick answer for that is.. in the historical context they got the b-12 they needed by the body making it out of bacteria.. and the bacteria came from plants they ate from the soil? |
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vegankitty
 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 109 |
RE: How do you answer???? Posted Friday, January 21, 2011 at 11:14 AM wow susan, that was such an awesome expln!!!! It is easy to be mankind, |
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| Checochinican
Joined: 01/04/11 Posts: 148 |
RE: How do you answer???? Posted Friday, January 21, 2011 at 11:19 AM Susan, that was great! I'd answer that question/remark by pointing out life expectancy in those good old bad old days was very short, in the 30s? I've forgotten the figures, but it is mind-boggling by modern standards. |
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Oceandog
 Location: California, USA Posts: 642 |
RE: How do you answer???? Posted Friday, January 21, 2011 at 11:24 AM Oh man Cynthia, what a hot topic. Wars have been started.... haha maybe not quite but close! There are many, many places to find such answers, unfortunately much of them are smart aleck, quick comebacks. I try not to go that route (even when it temporarily feels satisfying!) I do not believe our bodies "were meant to eat meat". Our teeth are not designed as carnivores, our intestines are very long which is not optimal for meat digestion. If you review the anatomy of carnivorous animals, you will find they have different teeth and the shorter intestines which move the meat quickly, as it should be. Now THAT said, I am NOT a medical person and this stems from my own reading. As to the B12, it is also my understanding that in times past this was available in the soil and it is primarily due to our methods of crop farming (if memory serves something to do with improper crop rotation) that our soils have been depleted. I would suggest some further reading and research to prepare yourself with facts for such a conversation. If you would excuse me for putting a personal opinion in this, I will. Mostly I believe strong opinions start out from 2 base feelings, love and fear. Fear comes in many forms, in this case, perhaps, fear of being wrong. When we are fearful we can be off-putting and at times aggressive. From a meat eaters perspective, if you change and you are right, does that make them wrong??? Unfortunately in many cases when we find something new and exciting, we become zealous to share. This in itself can off-putting! This has lead to the dislike of new Christians, the Hari Krishna, Muslems, Jehovah Witness, and yes vegetarians, and vegans, even new parents and grandparents! When we were in school we had the "pushers" you remember? "Try it you will like it" or "if you loved me..." My point? It the same one running through most of my posts. Please be aware that we are seldom aware of the other person's journey, past and present. We seldom know of their triggers or why they have them. What we say can frequently influence someone's path and not always in a positive way. Keeping our words kind and gentle filled with grace and TRUTH is our best route, in my opinion. Catch more flies with honey? By you doing the research FIRST, you are better able to direct their own research and let them know, this is what makes me feel this way. Would you mind reviewing what I have read and then we can talk about this again? Ok, off the soap box.... sorry everyone! Always offer kindness and a soft word to the beings around you; You do not know their journey. Your words can be the hug they need or the shove that breaks them. |
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| Oceandog
Location: California, USA Posts: 642 |
RE: How do you answer???? Posted Friday, January 21, 2011 at 11:27 AM Hats off to you Susan, you always do a better job than I do!! Always offer kindness and a soft word to the beings around you; You do not know their journey. Your words can be the hug they need or the shove that breaks them. |
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| Susan Levin
Joined: 12/26/09 Posts: 1189 |
RE: How do you answer???? Posted Friday, January 21, 2011 at 11:28 AM Thanks! Yes, if we ate plants the way our ancestors used to, the B12 would already be ON those plants and, therefore, consumed with those plants. Humans do make B12 straight from the bacteria in our own healthy guts. Only it is formed too far down our intestinal tract to be reliably absorbed. So, like other animals, we excrete it. That's partly why the soil would traditionally be so rich in B12. Susan Levin, MS, RD |
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| Susan Levin
Joined: 12/26/09 Posts: 1189 |
RE: How do you answer???? Posted Friday, January 21, 2011 at 11:30 AM Oceandog wrote: Hats off to you Susan, you always do a better job than I do!! Totally untrue. But thanks for the nod. Susan Levin, MS, RD |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2068 |
RE: How do you answer???? Posted Friday, January 21, 2011 at 11:33 AM cch22 wrote: ok.. here is a post where you can ask the how do I answer when someone asks or says....... "_____" my question is this.. how do you answer when someone says.. your body was ment to eat meat. The thinking is that the human body is designed a certain way and needs certain things.I believe it because our bodies need vitimin b-12. Meat provides that very easily. IN 2011 we can find the b-12 from other sources.. but in days past.. historical times.. soy milk, nutrional yeast, etc was not readily available.. meat was available pretty much everywhere. Taking notice of course that even my ancestors thought chicken was for sunday dinner, and meat was a luxury not for every night. Anyway, our ancestors ate meat because they had to.. your body needs it. That same person acknowledges that now there are other sources. .. but by design.. we are meat eaters out of need. People are designed to be omnivores - that is, we are capable of handling whatever is available to eat as needed - appendix, long intestinal tract, cutting AND grinding teeth, etc. In long ago times past, being able to live on meat AND plants AND animal products (dairy, eggs, etc) of all sorts meant we were adaptable enough to survive changes in climate, location, etc. Was it always optimal? Nope. But it kept us alive long enough to reproduce which is the main goal of most species. Our ancestors ate meat because they had to - because there often wasn't anything else around, not because it contained anything necessarily unique (B12 aside for the moment). It wasn't a nutritional requirement, it was a survival mechanism in an uncertain world where taking advantage of any and all energy sources was crucial. |
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Wild4Stars
 Location: Florida Posts: 832 |
RE: How do you answer???? Posted Saturday, January 22, 2011 at 7:17 AM It's all a choice. I CHOOSE not to eat meat. My body is capable of chewing and digesting a lot of things I choose not to eat, meat just happens to be one of them. When someone tells me that our bodies are meant to eat meat, I don't disagree or argue, there's really no point. I simply say that the research I have done, and the experimenting I have done with my own body tells me that my body's optimum health is best served by avoiding meat, dairy and eggs. Depending on the listening I'm speaking in to I may even add, "Try it yourself for a couple weeks and see what you think." Vikki ~ Wild4Stars@gmail.com |
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| philocrates
Joined: 03/18/10 Posts: 47 |
RE: How do you answer???? Posted Saturday, January 22, 2011 at 10:00 AM "As a very wise Religious Studies prof said to me one time: 'Just because you believe it doesn't mean its true'" This usually stops all conversations I don't feel like having dead in its tracks. |
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| Wild4Stars
Location: Florida Posts: 832 |
RE: How do you answer???? Posted Saturday, January 22, 2011 at 9:13 PM philocrates wrote: "As a very wise Religious Studies prof said to me one time: 'Just because you believe it doesn't mean its true'" This usually stops all conversations I don't feel like having dead in its tracks. OMG - I love it. So simple. So true. Thank you. Vikki ~ Wild4Stars@gmail.com |
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| Oceandog
Location: California, USA Posts: 642 |
RE: How do you answer???? Posted Monday, January 24, 2011 at 1:16 PM A lot of nice replies! I always try to remember the different answers when I am faced with the aggressives - whatever the subject may be! Always offer kindness and a soft word to the beings around you; You do not know their journey. Your words can be the hug they need or the shove that breaks them. |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2068 |
RE: How do you answer???? Posted Monday, January 24, 2011 at 1:20 PM One thing I've found in the past when questioned (we've never 'schooled' our 12 yr old, he's an autodidact, and that often raises questions) is to ask "Why?" not in an aggressive tone but to try to ferret out the underlying mindset of the person asking. Often, they've never actually thought through the idea, they're just acting on what they've heard or been taught to believe. A simple question that puts it back on them to clarify their reasoning often opens up a channel for communicating. --Deb R |
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