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BlondRenee
 Location: California Posts: 97 |
Emailed Subway and Kaski Posted Wednesday, February 2, 2011 at 7:52 PM I was on a tangent today. I wrote a email to Subway and one to Kashi. Yesterday I had a bad experience at my local Subway. For the price the salad I got was terrible. They pile on the meat when you order a sandwich, but for us vegan's they skimp on the lettuce and veggie!! I had the wine vinegar instead of the non vegan salad dressings. I got maybe two swished of the bottle of the vinegar!! Ok, so then I emailed Kashi asking them if they would consider adding a gluten free product(s) to their line. Just venting!! |
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| Mariberry
Joined: 01/02/10 Posts: 297 |
RE: Emailed Subway and Kaski Posted Wednesday, February 2, 2011 at 8:23 PM Good for you to let them know your thoughts. I don't usually get a salad at Subway, and now I probably never will. I had a similar experience with the Pita Pit - a local eatery that features a few vegan pita options - but their salads are a joke as well. I looked at the girl making mine and asked, "you're kidding...right?" She was flustered but handed it to me. I'd already paid for it or I would have said "I pass". It was lunch time and busy... I won't go back there. All we are saying is "Give Peas a Chance" |
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mollyhorn
 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 582 |
RE: Emailed Subway and Kaski Posted Wednesday, February 2, 2011 at 10:22 PM I've had this same sad experience at SO MANY restaurants. They act like lettuce is made of gold and they'll only give you 2 or 3 tiny pieces. It makes me so mad! I've gone as far as to take my salad back to the counter and ask for more lettuce... that got me some strange looks for sure! Good for you, Renee. Hearing from consumers is the only way these companies ever make changes. If enough of us complain, eventually they'll listen. Side note: Years ago, Subway used to stock a delicious veggie patty that they used on their veggie sandwiches. It was similar to a GardenBurger in flavor, but long and skinny like the shape of their bread. I was so, so sad when they stopped having it. I really wish they'd bring it back. Molly Horn |
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| kiwi
Joined: 01/03/11 Location: New Zealand Posts: 405 |
RE: Emailed Subway and Kaski Posted Thursday, February 3, 2011 at 4:57 AM [color=blue]Side note: Years ago, Subway used to stock a delicious veggie patty that they used on their veggie sandwiches. It was similar to a GardenBurger in flavor, but long and skinny like the shape of their bread. I was so, so sad when they stopped having it. I really wish they'd bring it back.[/quote][/color] I just wanted to let you know that you can get that veggie pattie at all subways in New Zealand. They taste great and I have gotten a few meat eaters at work to try them and it passed their taste test. I didn't know it had stopped in the US. We have sub-of-the-day specials here but the veggie pattie is NEVER a special of the day. You have inspired me so I will write to them and ask why not. Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food - Hippocrates. |
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| chickadee
Joined: 01/12/11 Location: North Eastern Ontario, Canada Posts: 52 |
RE: Emailed Subway and Kaski Posted Thursday, February 3, 2011 at 9:02 AM I don't think Subway in Canada has ever offered a veggie pattie. We have had a Subway sandwich with all veggies, not very appetizing. Friends, when inviting us over, often pick up Subway sandwiches and get the veggie ones for now. Now if they're bringing in Subway we tell them that we'll bring our own. |
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| Mariberry
Joined: 01/02/10 Posts: 297 |
RE: Emailed Subway and Kaski Posted Thursday, February 3, 2011 at 10:19 AM chickadee wrote: I don't think Subway in Canada has ever offered a veggie pattie. Chickadee - I live in Vancouver, and yes, Subway's here do offer the veggie patty. Or at least they did...not sure if they still do as I haven't eaten there for a while (the bread always gives me such a blood sugar spike). I'm not sure if the patty is vegan though...some veggie patties do add cheese. It might say on their website. I've started going to the Safeway deli for my fast-food sandwich. They have a flat wrap that they load with veggies and avacado for "sauce". It's good and quick. (P.S. I love chickadees...they hang out at my feeders and cheer me up with their happy song) All we are saying is "Give Peas a Chance" |
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| tinabean
Joined: 09/08/10 Location: Pasadena, TX Posts: 113 |
RE: Emailed Subway and Kaski Posted Thursday, February 3, 2011 at 12:06 PM I think it is (or was) up to the district manager or franchise owner as to whether or not to stock the veggie pattie. None of the ones on my side of Houston do, but I have had them in other parts of town and like them. I just checked their website and saw no mention of the Veggie Max. I also agree that they have long been bizarrely skimpy with their veggies. And when they did stock spinach, they charged you extra if you wanted a mix of spinach and lettuce, but hardly put any spinach on there! |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: Emailed Subway and Kaski Posted Thursday, February 3, 2011 at 12:58 PM I guess it's all dependant on location. Recently, after spending the morning clearing snow, we decided to go out to lunch, something quick and cheap and close to home. Subway is just a few miles away so that's where we headed. The place was basically empty (given the snowy conditions - we passed lots of folks shovelling/snow blowing their driveways). All 3 of us went for veggie subs and they put lots of spinach on my sandwich (neither hubby nor son asked for spinach). We don't ever ask for lettuce because it's mostly iceberg (may as well just eat the paper the sandwich is wrapped in). --Deb R |
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Wild4Stars
 Location: Florida Posts: 832 |
RE: Emailed Subway and Kaski Posted Thursday, February 3, 2011 at 1:23 PM Subways in our area pack the veggie sandwiches so big and fat they're hard to eat. Since you're standing right there when they're making them, tell them to put more of whatever you want on it. I've had to do that sometimes when we're traveling. I've come across stores that try to make them pretty skimpy. I've never heard of charging extra for spinach. Vikki ~ Wild4Stars@gmail.com |
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Oceandog
 Location: California, USA Posts: 642 |
RE: Emailed Subway and Kaski Posted Thursday, February 3, 2011 at 5:21 PM I can't eat any kind of sub sandwich! Finding a good salad is quite a challenge and I agree, they really skimp on veggies. Crazy stuff! Always offer kindness and a soft word to the beings around you; You do not know their journey. Your words can be the hug they need or the shove that breaks them. |
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lisag81
 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 64 |
RE: Emailed Subway and Kaski Posted Thursday, February 3, 2011 at 7:16 PM They still have the veggie patty here in Western NY, but I'm almost positive it has egg whites in it. Check out my blog as I do the 21-Day Vegan Kickstart! http://vegamorphosis.blogspot.com
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| Wild4Stars
Location: Florida Posts: 832 |
RE: Emailed Subway and Kaski Posted Thursday, February 3, 2011 at 9:43 PM When I was on vacation in Arizona there was a Subway that had the meatless patties. The owner of the store told me they were vegetarian but not vegan. He didn't elaborate, but he seemed to know what he was talking about. I was vegetarian at the time, so I did have them and they were good. Assuming all Subways use the same patties, I wouldn't trust that they are vegan. Vikki ~ Wild4Stars@gmail.com |
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| kiwi
Joined: 01/03/11 Location: New Zealand Posts: 405 |
RE: Emailed Subway and Kaski Posted Thursday, February 3, 2011 at 11:52 PM [[color=red]quote="lisag81"]They still have the veggie patty here in Western NY, but I'm almost positive it has egg whites in it.[/quote][/color] I received a reply from subway about the ingredients of the veggie pattie being sold in Australia/New Zealand and got the following: VEGGIE PATTIE Vegetables (Carrots, Mushrooms, Water Chestnuts, Onions, Green Bell Peppers, It may not be low fat but it is vegan and i can continue to treat myself every now and again asI love the flavour when I have had these before. So still a subway fan.... Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food - Hippocrates. |
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cch22
 Location: New York State Posts: 1000 |
RE: Emailed Subway and Kaski Posted Friday, February 4, 2011 at 7:24 AM I guess this is one for the "how vegan are you?" page.. Some would stop due to yeast & sugar..is that all that would stop a "strict" vegan? |
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| kiwi
Joined: 01/03/11 Location: New Zealand Posts: 405 |
RE: Emailed Subway and Kaski Posted Friday, February 4, 2011 at 1:39 PM cch22 wrote: I guess this is one for the "how vegan are you?" page.. Some would stop due to yeast & sugar... Cynthia It is a personal decision, but for me I can't be that strict in my diet or should I say I dont want to be rather than can't. I know I would not comply in the long term and continue on this healthy vegan eating path if I was. It is enough for me to have taken out the meat, dairy and eggs. I don't classify yeasts as an animal product any more than I classify bacteria and fungi as animal products. If I did any recipe with mushrooms would be out of the diet as well. Each to his or her own.... Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food - Hippocrates. |
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| cch22
Location: New York State Posts: 1000 |
RE: Emailed Subway and Kaski Posted Friday, February 4, 2011 at 1:49 PM kiwi.. i am with you on this .. i do eat honey, yeast, even part of an occasional egg in a baked product. While i do buy raw sugar and use it most of the time, i am not very concerned if i have a small amount of white sugar. It comes down to did i make it? then it probably has unrefined sugar. Do i want it, it's vegetarian, but has a small amt of sugar? Probably will eat it. i have a bigger problem with sugar being addicting. love the sugar.. I would cut it out more for weight control and nutrition than due to bone char. |
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| kiwi
Joined: 01/03/11 Location: New Zealand Posts: 405 |
RE: Emailed Subway and Kaski Posted Friday, February 4, 2011 at 2:29 PM Hi Cynthia, I am with you in regards to the sugar. I have not purchased white & processed sugar in years - long before the kickstart. So I have been used to using alternative sweetners when I cook if i need a sweetener. I do eat small amounts of processed sugar when eating out if it is an ingredient but I do not add it to anything such as beverages. It is great that more of us are eating this way and asking for vegan foods when we go out as restaurants/cafe's respond to consumer demand. I also think one-step-at-a-time - for me it is enough to educate the staff that I want to purchase animal, dairy, egg, free and not add sugar to the list at this time. While I believe that cooking at home and staying away from processed foods is the no.1 choice, it is good to have other options for those who cant, dont want to, havent the time on a particular day. The more of us around the world that ask for these foods/products, the more will become available. Perhaps those who are interested in eating better but believe it is too hard and too time consuming, may find out it's not and join the healthy eating 'revolution' to the betterment of this planet. Sorry - I starting out to say I agree with you and ended up with a book. I will get off my soap box now as I know I am 'preaching to the converted' as the saying goes. Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food - Hippocrates. |
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2meowers
 Location: Sequim, WA Posts: 127 |
RE: Emailed Subway and Kaski Posted Sunday, February 27, 2011 at 7:43 PM I feel I must post this, not to defend Subway as such, but to let you know some facts. Being a co-owner of 2 Subways in NW WA I'd like to share this. All Subways are independently owned and operated. While Subway offers pricing suggestions to franchisees, it is up to each one to determine if those price points will work with the particular area's economy. Products are offered to franchisee's based on what cost to Subway is, and each franchisee may pay slightly different amounts (added transportation charges due to distance from distribution warehouse, discounts based on payment method, etc.). Each store is evaluated monthly in many areas, such as restaurant cleanliness of service, storage, and restrooms. Many other compliance areas, such as employee handwashing procedures, employee appearance, service attitude, length of time from order to pay point, etc. Evaluators usually show up during lunch or dinner rush to get a "working" persepective, and also evaluate back room areas as to cleanliness, proper shelf storage for products, and freezer/fridge product storage to ensure accurate rotation, and that items in containers are properly labeled with dates and times. We are given a written copy of the evaluation, and if there are "out of compliance" issues, we have 30 days to fix. Subway also has strict formulas on how a sandwich is to be made. Examples - (#s for a 12" - divide in half for a 6" sub): Tomatoes, 6 or end-to-end if large; pickles and olives, 6 slices; other veggies are to be added as ounce weight. (Do you really think ANY customer goes for only 6 slices of olives on a 12", 3 on a 6"? HA!) We sprinkle probably 15 over footlongs! (Yes, I'm sure some charge extra.) Meats also have formulas (# of slices based on weight for total sandwich), examples on a 12": Turkey, ham, roast beef, eight slices; meatballs, 8 or end-to-end, etc. Currently, due to weather caused product shortages, we are now only putting 4 tomato slices and the required amt of green peppers on a sub, per Subway. Price is outrageous and we must comply or others will go without by the next delivery day. Maybe our stores are part of the minority, but we have never charged extra for spinach or extra veggie requests. In our minds, things all even out. Sure, we've got those "piggies" but we also have some that want nothing but meatballs and cheese, no veggies; some just want lettuce and pickles on their subs... As for salads. We price them at $1.00 more than the 6" subs because more veggies are in the bowl than a sub could ever hold, and the cost of the plate/lid is more than the bread. If you want all lettuce, all spinach, or a combination, fine with our employees! As a salad lover, I believe our salads are a great deal - well, the way we make them. Subway's formula for the meat on a salad is the same portion as on a 6" sub, but other veggies are more. Our stores make it the way you want, no questions. We train our employees to ask before they close and cut the sub, or put the lid on the salad, "Is this OK?" As for the Morning Star "Veggimax" patty offered by Subway, and I think that is the only option for Subway, at least in my area. While I won't list the whole ingredient list, it is NOT vegan. It contains milk and egg ingredients - egg whites and calcuim caseinate. Yes, we hear complaints about the 2 Subways in the next town over. Well, maybe we are more service oriented, maybe we're happy with just making a decent living and not trying to make a big profit. Maybe we just enjoy having a base of happy, repeat customers. Yes, our two towns are rather small, but we know many of our customers by name, and "the usual" when they come in. You might think it hypocritical for me to co-own a Subway and be vegan. It was hubby's choice (now separated) when he wanted to become self-employeed. First Subway in 1995, second in 1999. I became vegan 8-15-09 and am PROUD of it, thanks to a now dear friend! I enjoy being able to bring up my choice and opinions with customers whenever possible. "But for the sake of some little mouthful of flesh we deprive a soul of the sun and light, and of that proportion of life and time it had been born into the world to enjoy." Plutarch. |
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| kiwi
Joined: 01/03/11 Location: New Zealand Posts: 405 |
RE: Emailed Subway and Kaski Posted Sunday, February 27, 2011 at 8:01 PM 2meowers, Thanks for the information. What is interesting to see is the differences between different countries, even though all Subways here (New Zealand) are also franchised and carry the same name. Lession here for those that travel, particularly internationally, is to always check and not assume that because something has the same name the food is the same. I guess that is to be expected as many source products nationally when possible. I know the McDonalds here actually advertise that they source local products for their burgers including the meat. I am lucky in that the veggie burger offered in this country is vegan (as posted earlier) provided you aren't strict about the sugar. Even though we have BurgerKing, McDonalds, KFC, Subway and more recently Wendy's in this country I would suspect that much of it is differently sourced products from the USA and that it is different again in England. Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food - Hippocrates. |
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| Bugsmom
Joined: 09/13/10 Posts: 2072 |
RE: Emailed Subway and Kaski Posted Monday, February 28, 2011 at 8:39 AM Hubby and I were discussing Subway recently and thought that it would be really nice if they started offering hummus as an option. We've started making a chickpea salad that is very similar to tuna salad in composition and texture (coarsely chopped cooked chickpeas, chopped celery and onion, vegan mayo like substance or even just oil and vinegar). It was also nice that Subways are "relatively" similar across our region - DS was away this weekend with friends and they stopped to get lunch at a Subway (I had already 'alerted' said friends that he won't eat at BK or McDs). He got his "usual" without having to figure out a whole menu worth of options and he knew how much it would cost ahead of time so he could bring cash with him. (He gets a 6" whole wheat 'double double' - double Provolone, double American, and then a variety of veggies and honey mustard dressing). --Deb R |
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