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| mj
Joined: 01/01/10 Location: South Carolina Posts: 16 |
added fat? Posted Sunday, January 3, 2010 at 6:28 PM is a tablespoon of olive oil ok if it is spread over 4 or so servings of something? for example, i made tabouli, put about 2 tablespoons of olive oil in it but it will make 6 or 8 servings. anyone have any experience with this? weight loss is one of my objectives and i know not to get heavy handed. wondering if it's all or nothing. i'm trying to be careful with nuts too. |
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| Susan Levin
Joined: 12/26/09 Posts: 1212 |
RE: added fat? Posted Sunday, January 3, 2010 at 7:05 PM For these 21 days we are really trying to get people to do it 100 percent. That means no added oils at all. I know that can be quite challenging - that's why we set up such a vast support network here. Think in terms of three weeks without added nuts and oils. Put "forever" out of your mind for now. Susan Levin, MS, RD |
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Cinnamon
 Location: Ohio Posts: 36 |
RE: added fat? Posted Sunday, January 3, 2010 at 7:46 PM Susan: Oops!!!!!!!!!No oils or nuts for the three weeks? How did I miss that? Is that listed in the information somewhere? I usually put olive oil and lemon on my salads. Plus how do we saute or grill veges without oil? |
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| dollychik
Joined: 12/30/09 Posts: 10 |
RE: added fat? Posted Sunday, January 3, 2010 at 7:56 PM You can use a small amount of water in the pan, which I've used even in stainless steel pans, and add more as needed. Not sure why you'd need oil for grilling, tho... For salad, there are lots of great vinegars you can try. Also, Walden Farms makes dressings that are oil and calorie free. Not exactly unprocessed and whole food, but if you feel like you absolutely need a dressing you could try these. |
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| healthynell
Joined: 01/01/10 Posts: 31 |
RE: added fat? Posted Sunday, January 3, 2010 at 7:58 PM Have you ever tried to saute with vegetable broth? It's pretty good! I have to keep adding a little at at time as needed... |
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| Susan Levin
Joined: 12/26/09 Posts: 1212 |
RE: added fat? Posted Sunday, January 3, 2010 at 8:00 PM Look at anything where we discuss fat. Try this: http://www.nutritionmd.org/nutrition_tips/nutrition_tips_understand_foods/fats_where.html . We recommend around 10 percent of your calories from fat, or about 20 to 30 grams of fat per day. Considering most Americans eat more than 30 percent of their calories from fat, that's quite a change. But, having an all you can eat diet of fruits, vegetables, legumes, and grains does not present a problem. Certainly though you need to be aware of what you are adding such as oils. In order to do this, we recommend sautéing in water or vegie broth. For salads, we have lots of low-fat dressing recipes. Mind you, giving up meat, dairy, and eggs takes care of quite a lot of that fat in the diet as these are the major sources in our diets. Susan Levin, MS, RD |
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| mj
Joined: 01/01/10 Location: South Carolina Posts: 16 |
RE: added fat? Posted Sunday, January 3, 2010 at 8:09 PM oooh i didn't really think about the nuts in my oatmeal! guess i'll put up the walnuts. thanks |
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| Susan Levin
Joined: 12/26/09 Posts: 1212 |
RE: added fat? Posted Sunday, January 3, 2010 at 8:22 PM mj wrote: oooh i didn't really think about the nuts in my oatmeal! guess i'll put up the walnuts. thanks  Twenty-one days. Put them in the freezer. The fats in walnuts are very sensitive. Susan Levin, MS, RD |
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| summerperk
Joined: 01/01/10 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 40 |
RE: added fat? Posted Sunday, January 3, 2010 at 9:14 PM Hmmm, I missed that bit about no oils as well. I will probably focus more on the "vegan" aspect of the challenge and reduce my use of oil and nuts vs eliminate entirely. The Hoppin' John Salad had olive oil in it, so I guess I'm still a little confused! |
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| Cosmos
Joined: 01/01/10 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 14 |
RE: added fat? Posted Sunday, January 3, 2010 at 10:28 PM For dinner I had kale sauted in water with garlic and onicn. I was dreading not using olive oil, but was very happy to discover they tasted just as good. |
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| summerperk
Joined: 01/01/10 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 40 |
RE: added fat? Posted Sunday, January 3, 2010 at 10:51 PM That's good to hear about the kale--I bought some and have been a bit apprehensive about trying it. I like the idea of using a veggie broth as well--when I took a cooking class through The Cancer Project, that's one thing she used. |
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| rb
Joined: 12/30/09 Posts: 85 |
RE: added fat? Posted Sunday, January 3, 2010 at 11:57 PM This was really not clear - I even just went and re-watched the "What's In, What's Out" video, and the "Out" foods are meat, fish, poultry, eggs, and dairy. It says nothing about nuts and oils. I am doing this to be vegan, not to be fat-free too. The body needs a small amount of fat/oil to function well, especially for hair and skin. I think the fact that a lot of us are surprised by the no-fat policy really shows it was not mentioned in the sign-up. I don't know if I would have done this, honestly, if I had known that was part of it. I really am interested in going vegan and I thought that was the only thing we 'agreed' to when we signed up. |
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| serenevannoy
Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 294 |
RE: added fat? Posted Monday, January 4, 2010 at 12:54 AM I'm not doing fat-free, either, though I've reduced my fat way down. I know myself and I bail on stuff if I make it too hard on myself. (I do agree that the no-fat thing feels like a bit of a stealth thing on the website -- it's the Vegan Kickstart, not the fat-free vegan kickstart. I totally don't oppose fat-free vegan eating, and have done it myself in the past, but I have been using a little and was not clear that it was expected to be omitted on this Kickstart.) Serene Vannoy, Oakland, CA |
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| healthynell
Joined: 01/01/10 Posts: 31 |
RE: added fat? Posted Monday, January 4, 2010 at 7:52 AM Everything I've read by Dr. Barnard suggests that he is promoting a low-fat diet as opposed to a non-fat one. I think that his purpose is to help people understand that we don't need as much fat as we have been getting in a "standard" diet or even as has been recommended by others. From what I recall in his book about reversing diabetes, 30% of calories from fat is still too high to be effective. Hence, that's why I think it's part of the kickstart not to ADD fat because there's already a certain amount in foods naturally. He just wants people to experience the full effect of this diet/life style. I think it's clear that there should have been more info about this up front along with a clear explanation about why. |
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Harmonicgogiberry
 Posts: 47 |
RE: added fat? Posted Monday, January 4, 2010 at 9:35 AM Oh NO! Like others, I missed the point about no added oils or nuts! I have been enjoying a handful of organic nuts a day and thought olive oil was OK in moderation as long as it wasn't heated to a high temp (creating chemical changes and free radicals). I guess I could give them up for 21 days if that's what the challenge calls for, but can't help feeling like this is a real sacrifice! Just released the white knuckles from my coffee cup and now THIS!! |
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| Cinnamon
Location: Ohio Posts: 36 |
RE: added fat? Posted Monday, January 4, 2010 at 9:56 AM Thanks for the ideas about sauteing veges in water and stock. Glad to know I was not the only one who did not know - I thought I was doing a good job at keeping up with reading what is sent everyday. Oh well...like others, I am comfortable with reducing the amount, not eliminating entirely though. Giving up meat, dairy, cheese, etc. will be quite a leap for me right now and I want to focus on that. |
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| rb
Joined: 12/30/09 Posts: 85 |
RE: added fat? Posted Monday, January 4, 2010 at 1:04 PM This whole thing making me feel negatively about this. I don't know why Susan is saying we are supposed to go nonfat. It was NOT how this was portrayed - I read all the sign-up material and watched all the videos, and there is NOTHING that says to go without fat and oil! In fact, the first recipe by Alicia Silverstone uses almond butter! So stop feeling bad about using nuts and oils if you want to go vegan. It's your choice if you want to go nonfat, but this 21-day kickstart is supposed to be vegan ONLY(just check out the "What's In, What's Out" video - there is no mention of nuts and oils being "out). I kind of resent being told we have to be nonfat, because we DON'T. I think the administrators should be aware of this, as it is caused both confusion and stress for people, and feels a little bait-and-switch. Plus many people, including myself, would not have signed up for this if it had been nonfat. If you have been using nuts and oils, you have nothing nothing wrong! As another subscriber noted, this is a VEGAN program, not a vegan nonfat program. It's your call if you want to go nonfat too, but it has nothing to do with the premise of this program, which is to just go vegan! |
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| citykitty
Joined: 01/03/10 Posts: 26 |
RE: added fat? Posted Monday, January 4, 2010 at 1:24 PM I've been trying to keep it extremely low fat with no added oils based on one of Dr. Barnard's books I read recently. I'm not big on nuts anyway, but I'm finding cooking some things without olive oil (like bell peppers and onions) difficult. Won't water or veggie broth cause these vegetables to "stew"? Also my appetite has been out of control since going vegan and I'm wondering if it's because we're missing the satiety of our healthy fats? thoughts? |
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| Susan Levin
Joined: 12/26/09 Posts: 1212 |
RE: added fat? Posted Monday, January 4, 2010 at 1:35 PM For some, eliminating the animal products takes care of quite a bit of the fat. However, we don't want people to transfer their palate over to peanut butter, potato chips, and oil. These fats can be as counterproductive to issues like weight loss, diabetes control, and heart disease. This is not a zero fat diet. There is plenty of fat found naturally in whole plant foods. For optimal results, cleansing the palate for 21 days of our high-fat tastes can reset diet preferences. Then after those three weeks, we can see where we are. When improving our lifestyles, we have to be able to live with and love our choices. Do you feel better? Do you see results at the doctor's office? Each person has to find that place in his or her life. I totally get that. But for these 21 days, I want people to really feel the benefits of a healthful diet and then make an informed decision. We will have a lot more on fat tomorrow and the next day with Dr. Dean Ornish and Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn. They have both done pioneering research in the area. Again, more resources for you. You can consider these seeds of information and go from there. Susan Levin, MS, RD |
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| rb
Joined: 12/30/09 Posts: 85 |
RE: added fat? Posted Monday, January 4, 2010 at 1:42 PM I've been feeling that want-to-eat-everything-in-sight thing too since I started, usually at night. I was also thinking it had to do with starting to exercise again, as well as the bitter cold temperatures, which always seem to make me hungrier and more tired. But you are right - a small amount of fat, in addition to helping the body work well (especially in terms of hair and skin) does make one feel more satisfied. I did Weight Watchers once and a lot of people were using salad dressings that had oil because they found when they used the fat-free dressings, they were still hungry and would then eat more. When they used a small amount of the regular dressings, they felt satisfied and didn't want to eat something else. I think this is more than about 21 days; it's about habits that will work over time. If you are feeling more satisfied with what you eat, you will stick with it. A small amount of oil/fat will do that. |
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Probably should find some other healthier way though of preparing my beloved basil.
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